Mafia: The Rellyw Rebellion - Game Thread

Minarael

Peh. No more zucchini bread for you. 

First - if I was as you say, I'd have certainly voted for her far earlier. The Jailer was quite vocal about picking random votes, and that was reflected each night round with the messages from the Warden.

Second - I've been supportive of her since midway through the second day round, as I explained above. The only time I've mentioned distrust was in relation to the Jailer's stated mistrust. So your logic is wonky. 

Third - Every vote switch has been because of sound logic. Yes, I do tend to follow your logical trails because we do a lot of discussion about it. :P I get more access to your thoughts on the matter than I do pretty much anyone else in the game. So you've had a lot of chances to sway my opinion. Plus, I'm in favor of decisive action generally, if I believe someone is potentially guilty -and- other people think that person is guilty too, I'd rather join with those voices than sit in the corner and listen to everyone try to argue endlessly about who should get got. 

And I am perfectly willing to listen to the good opinions of others, hmph. I just tend to debate a lot of really stupid people in your presence. Jerkface. 

Damonicus

I am holding off for at least some kind of message from the jailor and warden. But, looking at it. Jailor didn't trust Moi, jailor and Indorani hit the same target twice. Mina and Vharan live together.

Llok

Well...

I don't agree with that at all. Moirean was a confirmed lifer but she did nothing to prove that she could actually lead a Rellyw victory. The only vote she did instigate took out a rellyw. I think you'd find under those circumstances that Minarael's mistrust (amongst others) was vindicated and justified by events.

I think I'd rather vote: Vharen

1) You're ready to bandwagon and solicit potential votes before we've given the chance for the roles to contact Periluna. Information is good and we have a few days to choose a reliable suspect so what is your rush?
2) Your reasoning is shaky. As previously stated, there was every reason to trust Moi as rellyw but no particular reason to follow her blindly.
3) You say about Minarael not trusting her but really... not even the power role, as Moi complained about, trusted her or wanted to contact her.

I don't think one faction would be stupid enough to throw two votes in so quickly and so close together  but I can't ignore how suspicious it is.

So yeah.

Damonicus

Damonicus said:

I am holding off for at least some kind of message from the jailor and warden. But, looking at it. Jailor didn't trust Moi, jailor and Indorani hit the same target twice. Mina and Vharan live together.

Warden and Syssin message actually.

Vharen

- Llok

Having a rally point is beneficial, whether or not Moirean's vote on Kaeus proved faulty. As you can tell, we're now scrambling to get things reorganized. I also said a mistrust was healthy, both in my vote for Minarael and previously. So I have no idea what you're saying in point 2, 3, or your opening.

I pitched my vote before the reports on purpose. I am not trying to rely on the power roles. If I have a reasoning, I'm going to follow through on it until shown otherwise. I also gave my vote not really caring that she had someone else vote for her. If I wanted her gone earlier, I could have supported one of the other trains going her way. I am also one of the least bandwagon-y people in this game, voting against the final outcome 3 times.

I'll respond to Minarael in a second.

Teani

Well, this sucks. I'm not going to place a vote yet, hoping to hear something from Warden if possible, but I'll point to my post from the last day round (when people lynched poor Kaeus) and say I'm still suspicious of Minarael.

We really need better coordination and some protection for whomever steps up, so they don't die like Moirean did.

Damonicus

If the jailor did indeed lock up Periluna night 2 then I would go for her as the coordinating party, as that would confirm her as a relly. Night one sniffed, night two locked up. Unless given the small chance she would be the wildcard.

Damonicus

@omei since we got info from you about the one who went on Nature walk the 2 and 3rd day round are we getting one every round as well or was that a mistake?

Vharen

- Minarael

Point One - No, you wouldn't have voted for her earlier. You already attract enough attention as it is, and immediately attacking someone shown to be mostly trustworthy would be a heavy finger towards you being an Indorani unless someone else started the train. An anonymous message from the jailer screaming "You Indo do whatever" would seem like a ploy to me until he actually continued jailing at random. 

I'd have assumed he would jail Moirean again on the second night. When he didn't while also announcing that he would not, I would think he would be baiting a vivisect towards Moirean. Sneaking a blocked night kill when the jailer's action seems predictable would be a crafty play, but it turns out they were just being nonsensical and leaving Moirean exposed. Cue last night.

Point Two - Most people have been supportive-ish of her. Looking back, you are less against her publicly than I thought. So, my mistake on that. Our private talks - even though we basically agreed she could be Conclave and shouldn't be 100% trusted -  and your coming out for her just before she dies do tweak me a bit, though.

Point Three - Fair point, but I would have expected you to at least have started a single train given the amount you talk. It certainly wouldn't be enough to make me vote for you on its own, but it's an extra push.

And the whole world is stupid? >.>

So, I'm a bit less certain than I was before. Not enough to unvote just yet, I will need to think about it more. It's a lot of small, squicky stuff rather than any one major thing.

Minarael

Our private talks, I suggested that we can't be wholly certain of anybody. That's true. That's also why even Periluna wasn't on my 'absolutely confirmed' list. The most certainty anyone gets, Moirean got. 

I think you are reading far too much into the plot thing. The Jailer was open the entire time about random choices, so it was clear from the start that there wasn't much in the way of coordination there. 

I just went back and reviewed my voting habits. I started one train (against Macavity, which went absolutely nowhere, even though I still think he's scum). I followed you directly once. The rest of the time I either switched a vote that didn't match yours or happened before you switched. So I'm not trailing you. 

Vharen

Well, you smell funny.

I posted my thoughts, it's been discussed. I'm not confident in my vote anymore. Still happy I posted it, though. Yay for talking. Now back to waiting for the power roles, I guess.

Unvote: Minarael

Omei

An elderly runner from the Warden's office limps into the Central Basilica, balanced on his cane - most rellyw die before old age, but this one is protected by an old, archaic bit of Ankyrean legislation that ensures fair treatment of the disabled. They have been trying and failing to repeal it ever since, a task made difficult by the fact that funding for the humgii handlers is also ensured by the document.

The old man clears his throat:

"The Dhasan of Science," he announces, "Wishes to report that the one known as Minarael has been investigated - and that she is the Necromancer. That is all."

He hobbles off, calmly.

Damonicus

Can the Warden please confirm this so we can lynch her if true. If no one else targetted Mina through the night then we have our confrimation for the lynch.

Minarael

I would really like to see the Warden's report. 

Especially since we have a tendency to get one player targeted from multiple power roles. 

Damonicus

Looking through everything so far there really is maybe one or two possibly confirmed townies still alive, Haern or Periluna,

Periluna was sniffed round 1 and jailed night 2.

Haern was jailed and targetted by the indorani the same night.

With Haern being more active watching wise I would recomeend Haern as the go to person instead of Peri since we may have to wait on her a lot longer for information with her schedule. Odds are also Haern is more likely a rellwy with being targetting at the same time.

Demarcus

Minarael was suspicious to me to begin with, and then Moirean points the finger at Minarael. Then dies at night? And now we have some sort of pseudo-confirmation that Minarael is the Necromancer. That seals the deal, I'm willing to find out if the anonymous message can be trusted.

Vote: Minarael

Aarbrok

I want to see the wardens report as well, gut feeling stirring....but I...the dudes old and stuff I just....I dont want to attack someone and then risk another innocent death if I don't have to.  Im standing on my gut feeling but still waiting on feedback.

Macavity

after all the information that I have seen, read, and my gut feeling....Minareal IS an INDORANI  KILL IT!!

VOTE: Minarael

Omei

An anonymous message arrives from the Warden's office:

"the dhasan of syense n the sissin both investigatud Minarael lazt nite -Warden"

Minarael

Well. Dhasan of Devotion has the ability to frame someone pretty nicely. It seemed pretty obvious that I was going to be lynched, and it's a handy distraction away from the actual bad guys.

We have a pretty intense trend of one player being targeted by multiple power roles. It's happened most nights we have had so far.

Science switching me inform both the Dhasan of Science and the Syssin that I am a bad guy, without alerting the Warden because it is a passive skill. 

Minarael

Informs..both

Macavity

@Minarael give it up, you are Indorani and you should be the next one Lynched hands down.  You have been trying to lynch Moirean off for awhile and turns out she was the Vigilante!  

Aryanne

If that report is truly from the Warden, then I'll have to follow this train.

While it's pretty remarkable that two groups keep attacking the same player at night, the idea that THREE uncoordinated groups would manage to hit the same player at night for the SECOND time in the game (that's what happened to Moi first round, right?) Seems pretty darn unlikely to me. Especially since Mina just didn't seem like an obvious waving flag of impending guilt

Unless the syssin would like to chime in somehow to prove that Mina tested innocent and science is pulling a fast one on us, I don't see much that will turn me from

VOTE: MINAREAL

Minarael

Dhasan of Devotion framing me would tell both the Syssin -and- the Dhasan of Science that I'm bad. We've had group targeting pretty much every night since the game started. Given the direct request to investigate me the day before, it's not totally surprising I might be framed.

Llok, you are actually completely wrong in what you said. I haven't been trying to lynch Moi at all. Like, not once? 

Meskhenet

Far as I can tell, the actual Warden's messages all seem to be in the same horrid writing, so I believe it.

And based on that information, I am trusting the Warden and the information provided.

Vote: Minarael

Minarael

Well, ya'll can lynch me if you wish, but you'd be offing yet another rellyw. 

I'm not suggesting the warden is delivering false information. I'm suggesting that the information was muddled from the start. I can be framed as a passive, which would be an intelligent move since it was suggested that I be investigated. I was, and they both read false. The only way for that to happen is if I was framed. 

Macavity

or the other way it could happen is you are truly an Indorani and the Necromancer at that.  

Aryanne

Minarael said:

Given the direct request to investigate me the day before, it's not totally surprising I might be framed.

I hadn't noticed such a request, sorry! That said:

Making a public suggestion/request for investigation is a bad move, and I feel like everyone knows that. Perhaps you were HOPING that you'd be framed and then come up as rellyw. That would have left only the one conclave knowing they framed you, but really with no reliable way to inform everyone else, which they'd probably rather keep to themselves even if they did.

Minarael

That's pretty convoluted. I didn't make a public suggestion. :P It's a terribad idea to do so. 

Minarael

I'm just going to point out that in one round, you are going to have a balance of 9 rellyw to 9 bad guys. Unless the Indorani hit a Conclave member during the night round, you have a situation in which the Conclaves and Indorani can completely control the voting. 

If you pick me, you are handing the town over to baddies.

We -need- to hit someone guilty during the day lynch or this game is headed downhill rapidly. 

We have Macavity, who I think is probably responsible for my present situation. He is the one who called for me to be sniffed. A -really- bad plan to do publicly. He has pretty much confirmed my suspicions that he's Conclave. Likewise, Meskhenet, who has managed to avoid several lynching rounds.

I'd say Llok, but he's either seriously lacking reading comprehension or is just bored and trolling. Nobody guilty would flail -that- badly. I think.