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Re: Fluff Skills
Sentinels/Woodlore:
The ability to tag a single animal/npc, which lets you seek out its location later.
The ability to have the woodlore animals deliver things.
The ability to tag a single animal/npc, which lets you seek out its location later.
The ability to have the woodlore animals deliver things.
Sibatti
5
Re: retirement characters
To play Devil's Advocate to a very minor extent, I can see why something might be useful in respect of clans. I.e. a family clan where the familial head has either retired or, to all intents and purposes, left the game and the remaining members don't have the appropriate privileges to run the clan.
In this instance it might be of use to have the democratic element toggled on automatically after a period of waiting so that the remaining family members can step up to continue the clan, rather than have to start all over again from scratch.
In every other respect, I don't think there is any point to booting retired/absentee members from orgs.
In this instance it might be of use to have the democratic element toggled on automatically after a period of waiting so that the remaining family members can step up to continue the clan, rather than have to start all over again from scratch.
In every other respect, I don't think there is any point to booting retired/absentee members from orgs.
Re: retirement characters
While they obviously shouldn't remain appointed to any leadership roles, ejecting a character from organizations purely on the grounds of retirement is essentially cutting away pieces of the game's history and robbing those characters of their "final role". Anyone looking back at member lists or player honours going forward will no longer be able to easily see those who came before them. It's a form of censure and if I were someone who had retired a character to start a new one in the same game, I would be very frustrated over something like this.Macavity said:If anything the problem is the thing you're doing?what's that supposed to mean? People retire characters for a number of different reasons
Church
10
Re: What kind of community structure do you prefer?
It's taken me a bit to get my thoughts together and I hope I can properly convey all the thoughts I have on this subject. I selected sticking with the current guild structure because I think it's not broken at the core and can work if it's modified some. That said, I am not opposed to something new, or even less guilds, if it is executed in a proper way.
I've tried to make this somewhat of a list to cover a few points, sorry if it's not the most fluid.
- This has been covered by several others, but I agree that tying the guilds to the cities can be frustrating. It puts you in a spot that if there is something you don't like between one or the other you have to choose between the two. It also, in my opinion, limits RP and individuality because you have to be part of that city even if the other fits you better.
- I am opposed to cities becoming too much of the center focus and losing the smaller guild structures. One strong reason for this in my opinion is because of new players. I think a lot of us have played Aetolia for years and we can forget what it's like if you are fairly new to the game or new to MUDs. Guilds offer a smaller, (in my opinion) safer place to figure out what is going on and where you fit in the game before putting too much effort into the city.
That said, in some ways I agree it would be nice if novices were placed in the guild right away. I try to check citywho and look for novices as I remember, but my checking of Guildwho is much more frequent and if there is a new name at the bottom, I'm a lot more likely to notice and reach out.
- In terms of city ministries, I don't mind them becoming a little more consolidated but having a lot of options also leaves new people open to get involved. I like the earlier mentioned idea of leadership being able to change or consolidate ministries as necessary, so if there is a lull, combine a couple ministries. But if you have a lot of people trying to get involved, split them back up.
- I also want to add that I find it easier, especially with new characters, to get involved with a guild than a city. Someone mentioned this earlier, but the guilds tend to feel more like family and friends whereas the city often feels more proper, plus with there tending to be a fair number more people, who do you even reach out to?
In most instances I can think of, I've become friends with those in my guild a lot easier than just anyone from the city. The roleplay is more organic and the opportunities are greater. Plus if I have a question or need something, I feel free to ask guildmates and as if they should more of less expect questions. It's not always so easy or straightforward with the citymembers in general.
- So for my thoughts on houses instead of guilds. I'm not generally opposed to the idea as a whole if we want to make a change, but I tried to play Achaea more than once, and I didn't like the house structure. One, I didn't really know which house to choose, even with the files that briefly explained them, and it left me seeking out players to try and figure them out, which wasn't much more help than the files to be honest. Two, they didn't feel as structured as guilds and I still felt a little lost on what the heck I was supposed to be doing.
Sometimes the guilds in game can lose momentum, yes. But having small organizations can also make it so that people are a closer-knit community and offer guidance to the wide-eyed novices that are just trying to figure out the basics. It also, as I mentioned, gives players a place to meet people and start up roleplays in a smaller group.
- I also want to say I love the idea of little missions for the orgs. As someone had mentioned earlier (too lazy to scroll back and see who, sorry) it would be great if there were little lines that made them feel like they are making a difference. Or they got rewards in the guild for doing something (such as the patrols) I think it would make people feel more needed and involved. It also gives them something to do on downtime and still feel connected to the goal or mission of the guild.
- Also just throwing in my support for loosening restrictions on the guilds and letting players have a bit more freedom without needing admin involvement.
- And I'm also for doing 10 guild ranks.
- And one more note, I know this is long, but people have said so much! If we get rid of class being tied to guilds, I think the guild lore and structure will have to be more clearly defined and hashed out. It sounds nice in some ways, but again I go back to people who try to play that are newer to the game. If you leave the decision to them where to join without clear guidelines, how do they pick? They aren't going to know how the different GMs run things or understand the nuances of each guild more seasoned players will. Also, because of class being tied to guild for so long, it has become an integral part of guilds' lore, structure, and training. It would take some serious time and thought to detach the two from each other. With multi-classing, I don't think this is that much of an issue and I think the headache of un-aligning the guilds/classes will do more damage than good.
For those who made it to the end, thanks for sticking with me! Have a smiley face -
I've tried to make this somewhat of a list to cover a few points, sorry if it's not the most fluid.
- This has been covered by several others, but I agree that tying the guilds to the cities can be frustrating. It puts you in a spot that if there is something you don't like between one or the other you have to choose between the two. It also, in my opinion, limits RP and individuality because you have to be part of that city even if the other fits you better.
- I am opposed to cities becoming too much of the center focus and losing the smaller guild structures. One strong reason for this in my opinion is because of new players. I think a lot of us have played Aetolia for years and we can forget what it's like if you are fairly new to the game or new to MUDs. Guilds offer a smaller, (in my opinion) safer place to figure out what is going on and where you fit in the game before putting too much effort into the city.
That said, in some ways I agree it would be nice if novices were placed in the guild right away. I try to check citywho and look for novices as I remember, but my checking of Guildwho is much more frequent and if there is a new name at the bottom, I'm a lot more likely to notice and reach out.
- In terms of city ministries, I don't mind them becoming a little more consolidated but having a lot of options also leaves new people open to get involved. I like the earlier mentioned idea of leadership being able to change or consolidate ministries as necessary, so if there is a lull, combine a couple ministries. But if you have a lot of people trying to get involved, split them back up.
- I also want to add that I find it easier, especially with new characters, to get involved with a guild than a city. Someone mentioned this earlier, but the guilds tend to feel more like family and friends whereas the city often feels more proper, plus with there tending to be a fair number more people, who do you even reach out to?
In most instances I can think of, I've become friends with those in my guild a lot easier than just anyone from the city. The roleplay is more organic and the opportunities are greater. Plus if I have a question or need something, I feel free to ask guildmates and as if they should more of less expect questions. It's not always so easy or straightforward with the citymembers in general.
- So for my thoughts on houses instead of guilds. I'm not generally opposed to the idea as a whole if we want to make a change, but I tried to play Achaea more than once, and I didn't like the house structure. One, I didn't really know which house to choose, even with the files that briefly explained them, and it left me seeking out players to try and figure them out, which wasn't much more help than the files to be honest. Two, they didn't feel as structured as guilds and I still felt a little lost on what the heck I was supposed to be doing.
Sometimes the guilds in game can lose momentum, yes. But having small organizations can also make it so that people are a closer-knit community and offer guidance to the wide-eyed novices that are just trying to figure out the basics. It also, as I mentioned, gives players a place to meet people and start up roleplays in a smaller group.
- I also want to say I love the idea of little missions for the orgs. As someone had mentioned earlier (too lazy to scroll back and see who, sorry) it would be great if there were little lines that made them feel like they are making a difference. Or they got rewards in the guild for doing something (such as the patrols) I think it would make people feel more needed and involved. It also gives them something to do on downtime and still feel connected to the goal or mission of the guild.
- Also just throwing in my support for loosening restrictions on the guilds and letting players have a bit more freedom without needing admin involvement.
- And I'm also for doing 10 guild ranks.
- And one more note, I know this is long, but people have said so much! If we get rid of class being tied to guilds, I think the guild lore and structure will have to be more clearly defined and hashed out. It sounds nice in some ways, but again I go back to people who try to play that are newer to the game. If you leave the decision to them where to join without clear guidelines, how do they pick? They aren't going to know how the different GMs run things or understand the nuances of each guild more seasoned players will. Also, because of class being tied to guild for so long, it has become an integral part of guilds' lore, structure, and training. It would take some serious time and thought to detach the two from each other. With multi-classing, I don't think this is that much of an issue and I think the headache of un-aligning the guilds/classes will do more damage than good.
For those who made it to the end, thanks for sticking with me! Have a smiley face -
Swara
5
Re: Guild and city unification
The theory behind the guild-city lock, as I understood it at the time, was so a Spinesreach v Bloodloch or Duiran v Enorian could happen. However, war between cities on one side of the fence isn't going to happen - Spinesreach going against Bloodloch would make both Spinesreach and Bloodloch vulnerable to Duirnorian and vice versa.
Arbre
5
Re: What kind of community structure do you prefer?
Removing mechanical class from Guilds and leaving them purely for their ideology might be good.
Unlink city/guild.
And whatever the answer is, wiping everything clean and starting new definitely isn't it.
Unlink city/guild.
And whatever the answer is, wiping everything clean and starting new definitely isn't it.
Rijetta
6
Re: What kind of community structure do you prefer?
Regardless of the org style outcome, we are wanting to put in something like the Templar patrols in for every guild. You have solid agreement from the Pools that little quests and idle things like that are a definite boon.
I definitely disagree with the idea that conflict systems are some silver bullet. They have high value, no doubt, that's why we were willing to test a new one, and have some plans for using it... but they just create some new problems. I want to address org membership, attention, and identity before that.
I definitely disagree with the idea that conflict systems are some silver bullet. They have high value, no doubt, that's why we were willing to test a new one, and have some plans for using it... but they just create some new problems. I want to address org membership, attention, and identity before that.
Tiur
5
Re: What kind of community structure do you prefer?
I had posted this idea ages back and I think it applies to that last point. It had been off the cuff at the time and certainly needs revising, but it's in the realm of what you're talking about:
Idea #752 Section: unassigned Support: 1
2017/09/01 01:21:58: Alternative election idea! Could there be a way for a player who is actively looking to step-down for an elected position to open an election? When you have elections, there's a "description" for every election, but it exactly the same, "being displeased with the performance of X..." - it would be cool to have one that was something like "X is retiring from their position of and is requesting applicants to replace them" or whatever. Just in general, having alternative election description options would be cool! Maybe have an option for recurring elections (i.e. if a city wanted to have a 3 year CL term, there could be a "term end/renewal election" in which an election is automatically opened with an applicable description and no one listed as candidates until they actively apply.
Idea #752 Section: unassigned Support: 1
2017/09/01 01:21:58: Alternative election idea! Could there be a way for a player who is actively looking to step-down for an elected position to open an election? When you have elections, there's a "description" for every election, but it exactly the same, "being displeased with the performance of X..." - it would be cool to have one that was something like "X is retiring from their position of and is requesting applicants to replace them" or whatever. Just in general, having alternative election description options would be cool! Maybe have an option for recurring elections (i.e. if a city wanted to have a 3 year CL term, there could be a "term end/renewal election" in which an election is automatically opened with an applicable description and no one listed as candidates until they actively apply.
Zaila
8