The State of Carnifex

Calipso

This thread is obviously going no where. Lock plz.


Edit: There  may be perhaps 4 useful and insightful points made...and 3 of them are by Moirean. Troll thread needs closing.

Daskalos

...this isn't a troll thread. If you don't like the discussion, no one is forcing you to read it.

Illikaal

Someone just needs to remove Calipso's ability to flag posts already. 

Toz

So, Daskalos. Logs at some point, please?

Also, don't see any problem with this thread staying open so people can spitball ideas about how to make the class less boring/obnoxious - been saying for a long time now that the class needs some major love.

Serrice

There's a log on Logsty of Xiuhcoatl fighting Isto in Carnifex that we could look at.

Daskalos

When I get a fight, I'll log it next.

 

Also, @Calipso, each class doesn't get a specific liaison anymore. There's not been a single personal attack in this thread, just discussion about the class as a whole. I'm sorry that you can't see the difference, but there it is. Now mark this flag as troll like you do every other thread as you harrass -me- by following me around the forums flagging every unicorn post!

Toz

More interested in seeing how Daskalos in particular manages, because of the uncon thing. As a bandaid, I don't really see anything wrong with moving the uncon level up to 75 or so...It is my sincerest hope that soul thirst is removed in its entirety when the overhaul is done, though.

Serrice

My main suspicion is that he's using a traditional Lumie opener of para/impatience/stupidity and proceeding from there. If I recall properly, it in general lacks the sort of heavy hindering you'd need to slow down the offensive, of the sort you'd get from para/clumsiness, or limb breaks. The other form of hindering he'd get in would be blurryvision from shadow - but, if he were using the aff route, there wouldn't be any really good way to pressure salve balance to stick that. You'd have to just rely on them missing it, which can be unreliable. We've seen for example, that Xiuhcoatl has a high degree of hidden aff tracking in his system (good lord the spam when he's truelocked). 

Illikaal

You mean the spam when he has stupidity. 

Daskalos

(good lord the spam when he gets stupidity period)

Illikaal

You know. That's why I really wonder if he does it on purpose or not. When I give him hidden stupidity via Vinelash or Staticburst, he doesn't spam like crazy. Instead, his system cures it just fine. Anytime I deliver unhidden stupidity, hi there wall of text. 

Xiuhcoatl

Two logs up now, but I've switched back to Sciomancer for the time being. Having to fight too many people at once and Carnifex already sucks as a 1v1 class against artifacts. Limited aff control, easy offense to stop or hinder, and no defense to physical damage besides full plate, which actually puts them at WORSE standing than Atabahi. Since Atabahi can get the full benefit from the protection amulet, carnifex only get half. Since I log everything I see, if you give me a time period we fought, and it isn't in the huge log I accidently deleted right when I was posting that first Isto Log, you can get the entire thing, but it's spammy since it negates all my gagging. 

Barda

Marcel steps towards you, dhurive ready for a blow.

Marcel slashes one end of his dhurive at you, opening up a long wound.

Health Lost: 439, cutting.

Hmmmm. Why is everything so difficult to figure out?

Marcel fluidly moves his dhurive towards you, preparing another blow.

With the great momentum gained in the previous attack, Marcel thrusts his dhurive deep into your body.

Health Lost: 962, cutting.

He hits me for more than I can hit him and with ents hits for around 1800 plus bleeding and Carnifex damage/speed is op? He was doing that at 2.35 seconds no Carnifex will start out that fast or anywhere close to there. 

Serrice

Let's not straight up lie now, @Barda. Slash thrust as dex is around 3s and slower at neutral.

Barda

He said he was hitting at 2.35 I am going off what he gave me.

Serrice

I apologize then. He was mistaken. A slash stab is 2.35 at level 2 balance. A slash thrust, which is what you saw, is around 3.

Angwe

You step in to strike yourself with your dhurive.
Your blade opens up a long wound across yourself as you move around for a second
strike.
Balance Used: 1.93 seconds
In a fluid motion, you ready another blow at yourself.
Using the momentum from your previous attack to your advantage, you thrust your
second blade deep into yourself.
Balance Used: 1.20 seconds
Time to recover: 3.12 seconds.
H:79% M:100% E:97% W:99% Bl: 50 XP:69% [csdb e-] -1086h (cutting) -40e

Barda

Ok he is hitting at 2.75 seconds with a blessing as Muscular stat pack.

Serrice

And what are the damage numbers there? That matches up with a slash stab. Judging by what you posted, on your audit it should be 439 (same as slash) on both hits. What is your max health and audit?

Barda

4940 max health and a 40/41 Audit for cutting blunt. He was using slash+stab

Serrice

I think I would recognize the attacks of a class I mained for 9 months or so. What you posted, and what Angwe posted, were slash-thrusts, not slash stabs. If you could, please post the damage numbers for a slash stab.

Barda

Marcel steps towards you, dhurive ready for a blow.

Marcel slashes one end of his dhurive at you, opening up a long wound.

Health Lost: 395, cutting.

Hmmmm. Why is everything so difficult to figure out?

Marcel fluidly moves his dhurive towards you, preparing another blow.

Marcel moves his dhurive and a quick stab follows the previous attack.

Health Lost: 395, cutting.

A prickly stinging overwhelms your body, fading away into numbness.

He was using thrust before 

Ilyon

800 sounds about right for that speed, no problem there.

Barda

Yea but when slash+thrust is only .2 seconds or so slower for double damage that is a huge difference in damage for no change is speed. You could potentially auto bash anyone to death with 1400 + ents damage every 2.75 seconds.

Serrice

It's not .2s slower. Angwe is dexterous. His slash stab is around 2.35 - his slash thrust is at 3.01. Ask Marcel, who is in a neutral statpack it looks, how fast his slash thrust is.

Barda

That's what he said his slash+thrust was doing 2.75 where his slash+stab does 2.55

Barda

I'm not saying you are wrong or anything I can only go off the speeds he gives me

Serrice

Well he's obviously wrong, because his slash thrust can't be faster than Dexterous while his slash stab is slower. Ask him again. Use smaller words, I don't know.

Barda

You were right he was reading his balances wrong entirely he is at 2.7 and 3.65. 

Angwe

Is he using CONFIG BALANCE_TAKEN ON?