Ankyrean Anguish - Aetolia-based RAGE

Arbre

Phonebre is having a difficult time posting, but the problem comes in (and not just with you by any means) not with what your rage or intent is, but how you CONVEY it. Make forums a positive place, not a haven of sarcasm and vitrol.

Illikaal

I don't know how to convey it aside from "Noncoms talking about what is and isn't stupid/hard about combat pisses me off, because they have no idea what they're talking about." Because that's exactly how I feel about it. It's not sarcasm. It's not vitriol. 

Haven

This is just a general warning/reminder not directed at anyone in particular: The administration paid us a kindness allowing this thread's resurrection from the oldforum -> newforum switch over. We have a chance still to keep this turned over leaf alive, don't ruin it.

That aside... I cannot help but feel that a lot of you overreact to what's actually said here in this rage thread. Remember that these complaints are purely opinions and that there are in fact PEOPLE on the other end. If, for whatever reason, you feel compelled to try and change someone's mind about a particular issue/rage or even to express your own opinion on the issue, do so respectfully and civilly or don't bother responding/saying anything at all.

As for those that post rages, understand that without a doubt that your posts WILL. BE. JUDGED. People will feel indifferent. People will agree. People will disagree. Some may even laugh. Regardless of any of that, by posting, you are choosing to SHARE your rage with the community and thus granting others the opportunity to respond, for better or for worse. Take their opinions and thoughts with a grain of salt.

Haven

I... uhh. Don't understand why @Illidan's rage is being flagged as 'troll'.

Illidan said:

Lol @ complete and utter noncoms talking about what is and isn't hard/stupid about combat. 

 I can understand people disagreeing with it but flagging the post? He's not naming any names. He's not badgering anyone vaguely. What exactly is wrong with it that you lot feel needs to be moderated?

Toz

If I had to guess, it was that his post came right after a few people discussing combat-related things. It'd be like following your post (@Haven) with 'I hate when mods are retarded'. No context makes it seem, at least on first read, as directed at the person who posted before you, even if that isn't necessarily the case.

Illikaal

So based on your logic @Toz, who in that previous discussion was a noncom? Because it obviously wasn't directed at Arbre, since she posted after I did.

Moirean

There is also the issue of people using the rage thread to basically get pot shots at people when they can't do it IG, often because of the ignore function or because they'd be pretty blatantly OOC. Using this thread to post rages immediately after a fight or an argument essentially kills the "vague" and "undirected" point of it. So does referring to things people have said in posts elsewhere - the rules shouldn't just be about not naming names if it's clear the posts are directed at specific people through context and implications.

Toz

I have no idea, and I didn't mark you as a troll for the comment - maybe the assumption was you were referring to Atra. Or Angwe, or Luna, or any number of people who contributed to the conversation.

Atrapoema

You caught me. I'm the non-com. Curse you, Illidan, for calling me out!

Angwe

I'm not a noncom. I'm a damage-sink

Sarita

I rage at people holding leadership positions while blatantly not playing the game (ie, unranked from not logging in.)

"(censored) spoke with me before taking a leave of absence, s/he has an Aide taking care of duties until s/he returns." makes the entire thing look like favoritism. If that aide is doing all the work, there's absolutely no reason to not rearrange the leadership positions.

Illikaal

Toz said:

I have no idea, and I didn't mark you as a troll for the comment - maybe the assumption was you were referring to Atra. Or Angwe, or Luna, or any number of people who contributed to the conversation.

Or it could have just been a legitimate rage that was placed into the fray of the conversation at hand that had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation itself, much like Sarita's rage. Some people just like to make the assumption that someone's rage is directed at them, when none of the people in question had nothing to do with the rage itself. 

Toz

Which, again, was exactly my point.

Alexina

Sarita said:

I rage at people holding leadership positions while blatantly not playing the game (ie, unranked from not logging in.)

"(censored) spoke with me before taking a leave of absence, s/he has an Aide taking care of duties until s/he returns." makes the entire thing look like favoritism. If that aide is doing all the work, there's absolutely no reason to not rearrange the leadership positions.

With the risk of threading the line of metagaming, I would like to say that if you notice something like this, please try to raise some awareness in the city. I don't think it's acceptable and I'm sure there're others that agree.

Areka

Word choice matters as well. There's a difference between:

"Lol @ complete and utter noncoms talking about what is and isn't hard/stupid about combat. "

and 

 "Noncoms talking about what is and isn't stupid/hard about combat pisses me off, because they have no idea what they're talking about."

I grump at the ad system in game making me actually have to pay attention and check things, rather than conveniently listing how soon until I need to renew like design list does. Curse you and shakefist and things!

Sarita

@Alexina:

That response was one of the results of trying to raise awareness ICly.

Corlin

Rage at how much difference that five percent change to warmth seems to have made on my ability to tank everything.

Before, I could still do Xaanhal / Tiyen without a blessing - I had to get a red amulet and a red ylem orb, and make sure to use vigor, but I could do it.

Now? If I don't get really lucky with crits, I'm dead to things that before never moved me below 2k health.

I'm an endgame character with trans minis and a few artifacts that all help me tank better (con, enhancement, sip bonus) and yet, I can't really go into the endgame areas by myself anymore, where before, my biggest trepidation came from the weird knots in the lowest level of Tiyen.

Alexina

I really wanted that chocolate box and then I got outbid.

Again.

Illikaal

Areka said:

Word choice matters as well. There's a difference between:

"Lol @ complete and utter noncoms talking about what is and isn't hard/stupid about combat. "

and 

 "Noncoms talking about what is and isn't stupid/hard about combat pisses me off, because they have no idea what they're talking about."

I grump at the ad system in game making me actually have to pay attention and check things, rather than conveniently listing how soon until I need to renew like design list does. Curse you and shakefist and things!

There isn't one, except how it was worded. It's still raging about exactly the same thing, and therefore doesn't make the rage any less legitimate. People nitpicking about how someone words their rage and assuming it to be trolling is completely subjective. Combatants would otherwise completely agree with it, whereas noncoms or circlejerk combatants wouldn't. 

Macavity

Sarita said:

@Alexina:

That response was one of the results of trying to raise awareness ICly.

This is a VERY common practice within a certain city....

Lin

Alexina said:

I really wanted that chocolate box and then I got outbid.

Again.

#onepercentproblems

Kiyotan

You squint your eyes and look out toward the south.

South of the glowing core of the Great Oak.

Sap weeps from a giant sugar maple that towers over much of the plantlife in this section of the wood.

DUIRAN

"So angsty, even our trees are emo!"

Haven

My lack of motivation to progress any of my character arcs.

Atrapoema

Kiyotan said:

You squint your eyes and look out toward the south.

South of the glowing core of the Great Oak.

Sap weeps from a giant sugar maple that towers over much of the plantlife in this section of the wood.

DUIRAN

"So angsty, even our trees are emo!"

That's not Duiran, that's just Haven using the new Syssin camouflage skill.

Lin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

Alexina

Lin said:

#onepercentproblems

Wow, Lin. You're so cool and awesome and cool and stuff!

Kiyotan

Hipsters: 1 | Bourgeois: 0

Tza

Getting bloody "server capacity" and "service unavailable" errors all the time today. Getting logged out of my account periodically as a result. Oh and posting is a pain in the butt as well. It's like russian roulette. SOMETIMES it works. Maybe.

WTH is up with the forums?

Setne

Tza said:

Getting bloody "server capacity" and "service unavailable" errors all the time today. Getting logged out of my account periodically as a result. Oh and posting is a pain in the butt as well. It's like russian roulette. SOMETIMES it works. Maybe.

WTH is up with the forums?

http://status.vanillaforums.com/

Valenae

Personally I think taking issues of forums harassment and belittlement with a 'grain of salt' has adverse affects on the community, including our retention rate. However, with mods being both peers with stake in the game and (even if that wasn't true), mods having limited enforcement, I don't see them making a profound impact socially. 

I rage at learning to code in Lua. It's been two days and so far all I've gotten is a fixed auto sipper. Other than reading forums I've never spent so much time glaring at my computer. 

EDIT: I also rage that there's no 'ignore' feature on forums. 

EDITedit: In what Areka posted the two comments have different social implications and expressions, @Illidan. The first comment implies that you occupy a greater social position and are speaking down to noncoms while using your frustration as a weapon. The second merely conveys your frustration, painting both positions (of com and non-com) as equal, just one is less informed.