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Ankyrean Anguish - Aetolia-based RAGE
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Not that getting stuff done got me included on the cityfavor list until I pointed out I was there for 40 minutes of the 50 minute raid. Grumble.
Downvoting me doesn't make that any less true. This is a fairly objective fact that anyone analyzing your guards could have seen. The temple itself didn't even really matter for the killing. The same result would have happened because of bad guard array.
The reason I - and others - am upset is that this sort of thing is something gods have no business in. Gods should not meddle with things like PK and raiding. It's the last way we, as players, have to generate conflict. Once gods get involved, stuff ends, conflict ends, game over man.
There is an incredibly strong kneejerk to the prospect of lifting the statuses due to the inevitable abuse of noobs being used as raiding points (not that that would necessarily change that raids will occasionally happen regardless, but that it's inviting them further and making more of a weak spot). That is the biggest hurdle I've been trying to work through with people.
If said God didn't dump his temple (boat) where it was, then you wouldn't have no way to raid at that spot.. so its not Enorians fault its the GODS or the person in charge of his order who screwed over Enorian.
From the 5 people who spoke to me about it, that was moved to that spot and only two people can move it, the GOD or the Order head. Neither was online when you was raiding and only 2 enorian people, 1 being at work so on the website login. @moirean
If your using a Gods Temple to raid from, Why doesn't a God have business in zapping all your asses? or kicking you out of the temple? find a better spot then his temple to raid from? oh no.. You cant as Enorian most likely doesn't have one ... lol
That said, the Holy War.. You have said it yourself enough times that Holy Wars suck for everybody. It's getting a bit ridiculous that you continue to pull this card every time you get pissed off and want to step just -that- much more on people's toes. You've got enough weight to handle things without ruining people's entire day.
Don't even bother justifying it by saying you talked to them and they said sure. That's a complete copout. It's like members of the Syssin going on and on about how they don't actually liiiike their policies, but RP bro. Of course they're going to say sure. It's an Order full of evil PKers - and you're about to spend a day trolling an Order that has all of a handful of members. And how many of them even PK?
And no, 'It's the only tool I had to stab back with' is not cutting it. Not the first time, not even the second time. Certainly not the third time. By now, you're just being asinine. Go to sleep, and tomorrow we'd appreciate the Moirean that does really awesome things for the game and makes it funner for everybody.
Candle-lit chambers of the Enorian Embassy. (Spinesreach.)
Bright candlelight gleams off white-washed walls in this simple, stark set of offices. Designed for use by emissaries from Enorian, the chambers are refined and somber, with heavy azure curtains and carved ivory furniture the sole adornments beyond a large portrait depicting the Revelation. The area's main feature, the painting is as tall as a Troll and depicts - in fantastic, devoted detail - that famous moment from the Beacon's history, with a wide-eyed woman next to an angel blazing with holy light. Aside from this, there is an austere design to the chambers, with a large desk set in the center of the room, while smaller cubbies are set aside for diligent, dutiful scribes to assist the southern ambassadors in their work. A conscripted Spirean soldier statue coldly scans the area for threats. Resting on the ground is a cube-shaped silver sigil. A sigil in the shape of a small, rectangular monolith is on the ground.
You see a single exit leading west.
Last time I was here I proposed a treaty for unifying in world-threatening circumstances. Enorian unilaterally denied it. Sorry if I can't devote the time every week or two to offer the same stuff to your new council.
I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy.
You got punished for raiding a Gods temple .. Lol.. not for being tactical .. @Jensen
I'm not even sure ANYONE knew the God placed his temple in Enorian as I had two people (pkers from enorian) ask me where the boat/temple was.. (( Im not 100% sure what the heck it is in enorian, if its staying or what but someone said it was a boat))
So back to the point, if you want to raid a temple to raid a city, Stop crying when a God steps in or find a better spot IN ENORIAN which doesn't involve a Gods temple!!
However, at least keep in mind that Spinesreach and Spinesreach's happiness isn't our priority? We've had four Vanguards in the last year, multiple council turn overs (which means everything gets restarted because votes change), world wide events, local events, and our own work to try to figure out how to un-mess Enorian on top of the usual kinds of drama and issues that just slows everything down. We can't all be charismatic leaders ready to take charge and unicorns the consequences.
And none of us have complained that you were raiding from a temple, only that this temper tantrum into a holy war because a god wasn't OK with you being all up in their special place is irrational and out of proportion to the act. It's like being mad at someone for kicking you out of their bedroom because you were spray-painting penii on their walls.
Edit: Doing some thinking, I do vaguely recall the world-wide treaty thing, and that being veto'd because it was deemed unnecessary. Never been a need to have a legally binding contract when it came to Kerrithrim or Dreikathi, and BL tried to ally with Nazedha, so best to just address each as they come up.
@areka - the city's constant political change is exactly what I mean. I got tired of trying to coddle up to the new vanguard and track the politics. I warned Phen LAST raid that this wasn't an isolated incident, that it was just a warning for what to expect if Eno kept up their policy. This raiding was heavily warned in advance.
You're punishing players that weren't even around for the actions of their IC God - in what you're claiming (true or not) to be an overstep of his bounds. And by punishing, I mean ruining a week of their gameplay. They'll be building shrines tonight and tomorrow. Then they'll spend a day either hiding in the city or their haven to avoid the lolPK squad that is Iosyne. Then they'll spend a week raising shrines instead of doing other things like hunt, RP, PK, or just.. play the game.
Damariel doesn't give a shit that you declared war, man. He's not staying up all night PKing (read: dying). He's not building shrines. He's not losing hours of (and maybe -all- of) his Aetolia time this week because you got pissed off again and wielded an Order like a bludgeon.
What the fuck does Iosyne's Order even have to do with the raids against Enorian, or the reaction of one of their Patrons in moving -his- area so that it can't be used. If that's even what happened?
That's like the America declaring war on Canada because you got beat up at a bar in Quebec.
It doesn't matter if you were raiding Enorian - you were in a god's temple, they have full right to act within their temple, and it's irrational and delusional to expect them to just smile and nod or to get into such a wad about them doing things in their temple.
Default response will just be to enemy and bounty you guys. Given the messages enemy status (to ONLY the heralds) alone has caused, you hypocrites can't even deal with a simple wrist slap.
@rashar - yeah, it kinda sucks for them, but we're given zero tools to fight a god. I've played this game for a decade. Declaring holy war pisses off the god a lot more than anything else I can do.