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Exterminations
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With the coming liaison round I'm seriously considering putting in a change to exterminate or rejuvenate, or maybe for a new skill in naturalism/woodlore that protects a whole area for a year or something. Or causes some huge effect if an extermination is done in an area.
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edit: Or log off!
(As much as I personally think exterms are derp)
Make them stink like smoke or something.
(We still won't be stacking on Enorianites though)
You guys don't bother to police your own, be it in or out of character. So the admin decided that Duiran should be given a leg up. Of course you jump straight to 'well, we'll just stack bounties' when it was your people who created this situation in the first place.
My face when you compare a spree of exterminating more than 100 rooms over the course of a single week because some people want to fill some freaking essence caps a little faster to a purely roleplay mechanic that lasts all of sixty freaking minutes. Could you overreact more?
Neoexterm is stupid unless Duiran also gets access to leafwind and bushcage.
Meanwhile extermination still requires 10 ice to identify and 10 ice to remove, and doesn't go away on its own until the beginning of each new aetolian year.
It's all fine when the Indorani are the only ones doing it but god forbid Duiran get something even remotely similar, which is all this really boils down to.
Exterminate requires 10 ash and can be removed. Your staff thing has no counter and doesn't cost you anything.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with your last sentence. You guys set this as the retaliation standard. We're just going along with you. Seems fair to me?
Indorani GUILD attacks Duiran CITY with exterminating. Cost to Duiran is great, bs rp mechancic for indo, Duiran counters with bounties galore and kills the Indorani when they can catch them.
Bloodloch looks and goes, guild vs city. eh not our problem.
Admin instead of just removing said problem, (EXTERMINATING, nercromancy) decides to have some fun and give Duiran (CITY agiain) a stick that turns any room to a jungle.
Duiran counters with turning the desert right next to BLOODLOCH (CITY) into a forest.
BLOODLOCH counters with exact same mechanic used against the Indorani (BOUNTIES)
So instead of actually fighting the problem the Indorani GUILD, Duiran took it to the CITY that houses the guild, but isn't directly responsible for any guilds actions. Like do you blame Bloodloch for anything the Carnifex did, should Spines be blamed for anytime the Sciomancers raid the master crystal. I said I think extermination should be removed, but the stick idea was literally just throwing gas on a fire.
On top of all of that, turning the desert into a jungle wouldn't effect the indorani at all, that would target the Teradrim and Ivoln, which neither had anything to do with the beginning situation. So I say remove exterminating from the game and set fire to all those sticks and call it a day.
You're basically comparing someone getting tapped to someone getting punched in the gut. Furthermore, if you're going to try and say 'you did it first', you need to get your facts straight regarding our actual bountying practices.
@Damonicus: the staves can't be used inside a city, and even if they could, Bloodloch would get involved the second we try and get to the Indorani guildhall. We are working with what we have been given, and considering no one seems to care to police their own...well, I probably shouldn't be disappointed by Ezalor's reaction considering no one over thee thought to say 'hey, maybe you guys are going overboard with this'.
I just don't understand the thought process behind exterminate -> we will use bounties. We need a similar mechanic to exterminate. Get it, use it -> bounties used against us in the same way but that's unfair as punishment. Some argument could come from the effects of exterminate vs the effects of this thing, but both are largely RP in nature. Exterminate takes longer to remove and is also more expensive/harder to actually create. This jungle thing has no way to actually remove it beyond time but also doesn't cost anything to create. Exterminate kills plantlife, jungles in the Mhojave threaten Bloodloch's territory there and mobs have expressed that allowing jungle to run rampant there will have bad repercussions for BL. Doesn't strike me as particularly skewed.
Which is not to say this back-and-forth is something good or that exterminate doesn't need changes, but when given a similar mechanic that is met with similar retaliation I guess I don't see why there's rage over that. I disagree that so many bounties is reasonable for either exterminating or jungle-ifying but those are the parameters we were presented by Duiran.
As far as policing, I've never actually been approached IC or OOC about this. In fact, the only contact I did receive about this before today was someone from Duiran asking me NOT to get Bloodloch involved either way so that Duiran could fight the Indorani, which is exactly what I did. The Indorani coordinated this and ran it completely on their own as well. I don't even know the extent to which they went with it.
The thing is this staff thing is only remotely similar. You're right, there's no cost and no way to remove. But it literally lasts an hour at the most. Places in the desert could be phantom jungle and you would never notice it, if it's out of the way. At least, it would be highly unlikely that it would be found if you're not out looking for it.
Bloodloch doesn't care about plants, and this staff thing has the same effect on the plants - the change in environment removes them, which means Duiran has to weigh the cost/benefit of that. I think -that- is why there is no cost to use the staves, because it means Duiran is harming itself in a way.
Do you want to know why we bounty so harshly for extermination? Because of things like what has been going on this week. Because people think it's funny to exterminate whole areas over and over and then run and hide when someone comes to fight over it. Because if you're going to grief an organization, you deserve to be hunted any time you take a step outside of a city.
In essence, this feels like you guys are saying 'It's fine when the Indorani are basically griefing you, we don't care. But the second you are given something that leaves the tinyest mark on an area we care about as a result of one of our orgs being unicorns, we're going to pound you into the dirt because trololo'.