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Re: Short Questions
Can we please just stop distracting from the fact that a relevant and very important short question was asked? And can we also stop telling me where it does and does not belong by posting and unnecessarily using the Off Topic flags? Thanks!
Edit: The fact that some people clearly care more about where the question belongs than the question itself is really telling, by the way.
Edit: The fact that some people clearly care more about where the question belongs than the question itself is really telling, by the way.
Iazamat
11
Re: Short Questions
I'm confused, why is the thread about what people want to see in promotions not the thread that questions about intended promotions belong?
Zaila
1
Re: Short Questions
Well, this a "short questions about the game" thread, from what I understand. His question is a question for the admin about the intended financial/promotional/political situation IRL -
For that, here's a thread that would apply: https://forums.aetolia.com/discussion/2579/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-promotions
For that, here's a thread that would apply: https://forums.aetolia.com/discussion/2579/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-promotions
Zaila
1
Re: Short Questions
I wonder why folks would possibly flag a short question as off topic in the short questions thread? If you really want the smoke, you can get all of it.
Illikaal
11
Re: Fezzix Made Me Invest in Culling
Zealot = ridiculously simple to execute, op, and annoying to the point I was killing people manually. Thus endeth the sermon. 
Yedan
-6
Re: Endgame flavor
I don't like that ideology or process of thought. If there's one thing we've learned about Aetolia is that cliques will always be prevalent and every aspect of this game.
If you decide to hold onto the form of an old deity, these cliques will insult you, mock you, and push you out of the Order because you refuse to bend to their whims.
If you decide to hold onto the form of your previous deity, these cliques will withhold any form of god RP from you and will blatantly insult you so that you can't progress in the Order. I mean, why should you progress when you hold onto your old deity? You might as well put a bullseye target on your chest and back and say you're a punching bag... because that's how people will treat you.
RP is not always going to be sunshine and roses and there are always avenues of providing amazing RP opportunities. But I do not think that this form of RP avenue would be anything but detrimental, because this WILL fall into the hands of those who will use it for their own nefarious and negative means to control and subsequently maintain a sense of superiority. I'm all for AWESOME RP opportunities, but I'm not for anything that gives players too much ability to keep avenues to only their friends while pushing everyone else to the side and made to feel inferior. Let alone those who will be snobbish because you were never one of them from the beginning of your character creation. Sure, you could pull out the whole "But I tried something and it wasn't for me." but it only perpetuates the aforementioned mentality of false superiority and cliquish people.
If you decide to hold onto the form of an old deity, these cliques will insult you, mock you, and push you out of the Order because you refuse to bend to their whims.
If you decide to hold onto the form of your previous deity, these cliques will withhold any form of god RP from you and will blatantly insult you so that you can't progress in the Order. I mean, why should you progress when you hold onto your old deity? You might as well put a bullseye target on your chest and back and say you're a punching bag... because that's how people will treat you.
RP is not always going to be sunshine and roses and there are always avenues of providing amazing RP opportunities. But I do not think that this form of RP avenue would be anything but detrimental, because this WILL fall into the hands of those who will use it for their own nefarious and negative means to control and subsequently maintain a sense of superiority. I'm all for AWESOME RP opportunities, but I'm not for anything that gives players too much ability to keep avenues to only their friends while pushing everyone else to the side and made to feel inferior. Let alone those who will be snobbish because you were never one of them from the beginning of your character creation. Sure, you could pull out the whole "But I tried something and it wasn't for me." but it only perpetuates the aforementioned mentality of false superiority and cliquish people.
Rhyot
2
Re: Endgame flavor
I want to revisit the olden ways of Yeleni and Azudim, where you were given a task by a Divine, performed the task, offered some essence and was given either Yeleni for Spirit side or Azudim for Shadow side. Now, I know there's not always volunteers enough to fill up the Divine rolls, but that could be worked around. You could either ask for another Divine to help you, as long as it is in your tether, you can wait until your Divine's roll is filled again, or perhaps there could be a way to contact admins if there is no current Divine at the tether at all, in order for someone to hop on a High priest to get stuff rolling.
I also recognize the issue with how some Divine rolls are played. Dhar, for example, don't mind the Azudim since they embrace death and that's sortof His thing. I am sure there are Shadow Divines who might be able to lean more towards Yeleni as well. Perhaps, due to this, there could be some sort of toggle for the Divines in order to choose if they want to grant Yeleni or Azudim, which can only be changed if the Divine recieves a new player. Most will probably not be changed at all, but the opportunity could be there in case the Divine takes on a new direction for some reason.
In short, my vote is for giving the Azudim and Yeleni ascensions back to the Divine so they could feel a bit more special. If you don't want to rely on a Divine, you can always choose Idreth.
I also recognize the issue with how some Divine rolls are played. Dhar, for example, don't mind the Azudim since they embrace death and that's sortof His thing. I am sure there are Shadow Divines who might be able to lean more towards Yeleni as well. Perhaps, due to this, there could be some sort of toggle for the Divines in order to choose if they want to grant Yeleni or Azudim, which can only be changed if the Divine recieves a new player. Most will probably not be changed at all, but the opportunity could be there in case the Divine takes on a new direction for some reason.
In short, my vote is for giving the Azudim and Yeleni ascensions back to the Divine so they could feel a bit more special. If you don't want to rely on a Divine, you can always choose Idreth.
Sigrun
3
Endgame flavor
Let me start by admitting that I am "one of those people". I really dislike havens, with heavy emphasis on the word 'really'. I am also disappointed in the changes to how Endgame races are achieved.
My reasons for this are many, but let me present a few. I have spoilered my discussion parts to make it a bit more TLDR-friendly. Feel free to comment with your own ideas or poke holes in this one. I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Havens:
1. The lore connected to them is not very consistent, and it can be difficult to try to justify certain things connected to them.
2. Havens do not promote spontaneous interaction, despite the addition of shells that can be shouted at or wrenched.
3. Haven points keep piling up, without giving people a chance to use them for something that feels important.
Proposal:
I have no idea how to fix havens, other than to suggest to remove them or turn them into single rooms for personal escape.
I am fully aware that a lot of these things are used for trade and economy, but I do believe it would make sense to add some of this as part of the progression system. Naturally, there are probably a lot more things to add, but I thought I would suggest something.
Endgame races:
We currently have three generic endgame races in the game:
Yeleni - the Hollow Form of Tekal being filled up with life essence.
Azudim - the Hollow Form of Tekal being filled up with death essence.
Idreth - the individual's own reforming of the Hollow Form to transcend the mortal shell.
Without Divine interaction, there feels like there's no reason behind the choices of the various forms.
Proposal:
Add in separate Endgame races for the different deities, that people can aspire towards.
My reasons for this are many, but let me present a few. I have spoilered my discussion parts to make it a bit more TLDR-friendly. Feel free to comment with your own ideas or poke holes in this one. I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Havens:
1. The lore connected to them is not very consistent, and it can be difficult to try to justify certain things connected to them.
It's part of your mind, something of a "Sherlock Holmian" mind palace, but you can invite others in person, sort of like a virtual group chatroom in a fantasy setting? Fantasy games are good that way, as they can break free from conventional stuff, but part of it makes me feel like it's a bit of a stretch, like when you go in there and come out again with physical items created inside your mind. (Enchantment rooms, forges and libraries are all possible to set up in a haven, for example)
2. Havens do not promote spontaneous interaction, despite the addition of shells that can be shouted at or wrenched.
Sure, it is nice to have a place to retreat to for a while, and people can reach you in other ways, but most people have taken to returning to their havens in remote or more inaccessible locations to be left alone. I'd say that is what havens are there for. You want some peace and quiet? Go relax in your mind, daydream for a bit, meditate, and then return all fresh and stuff.
Things in this game should promote interaction, not provide more ways to isolate. Sure, there should be ways for people to step away from the public eye, but perhaps in a way that makes more sense than inviting someone else into their brain?
Things in this game should promote interaction, not provide more ways to isolate. Sure, there should be ways for people to step away from the public eye, but perhaps in a way that makes more sense than inviting someone else into their brain?
3. Haven points keep piling up, without giving people a chance to use them for something that feels important.
Expanding on a haven's room count, when it's an isolated area, can feel pointless. However, when you have all the racial skills available, what else should you be doing with your points?
Proposal:
I have no idea how to fix havens, other than to suggest to remove them or turn them into single rooms for personal escape.
Let's say you want to create an Ice Queen of the North, so when you become Endgame, you choose Ice as your preference. This means that as you progress and earn "haven points", you are able to choose from ice-related flavor stuff, to further promote your change towards regal status in the north.
The "Flavor List" would be similar to the "Raceskill List" we see today, only with messages and flavor things added. For example, you could get access to certain premote things, like "ICESNAP", which shows as you snapping your fingers and creating a spark of snowflakes (while "FIRESNAP" would show as a spark of fire instead, and "WATERFLICK" would, annoyingly, flick a few drops of water in someone's direction). It could also give access to other kinds of flavor, like a skill called "CHILL", which would make the room feel a bit colder for a short while.
The "Flavor List" would be similar to the "Raceskill List" we see today, only with messages and flavor things added. For example, you could get access to certain premote things, like "ICESNAP", which shows as you snapping your fingers and creating a spark of snowflakes (while "FIRESNAP" would show as a spark of fire instead, and "WATERFLICK" would, annoyingly, flick a few drops of water in someone's direction). It could also give access to other kinds of flavor, like a skill called "CHILL", which would make the room feel a bit colder for a short while.
I am fully aware that a lot of these things are used for trade and economy, but I do believe it would make sense to add some of this as part of the progression system. Naturally, there are probably a lot more things to add, but I thought I would suggest something.
Endgame races:
We currently have three generic endgame races in the game:
Yeleni - the Hollow Form of Tekal being filled up with life essence.
Azudim - the Hollow Form of Tekal being filled up with death essence.
Idreth - the individual's own reforming of the Hollow Form to transcend the mortal shell.
Without Divine interaction, there feels like there's no reason behind the choices of the various forms.
Why even have three races if there's no real difference in how they can be obtained? The first two races made a little more sense back when one had to approach a deity to be turned into these new races. You'd generally get some kind of quest, and when completing it, the deity would grant some of Their essence for you to transcend into this elevated form. Still, there was the difficulty in interpreting where Undeath fit into it all, but that was something that could be roleplayed out to make sense. Then came the l introduction of the Idreth, which was meant to negate the requirement of Divine interaction. It gave people the option of just getting to Endgame without the fuss.
The removal of the requirement for Divine interaction made the connection to essense feel irrelevant, and the hard work others had put in to gain these by questing for their respective Divine's attention and favor was somehow lost in the past. Those quests made for excellent character building, and this is, after all, a Roleplaying game, so character development should be promoted.
The removal of the requirement for Divine interaction made the connection to essense feel irrelevant, and the hard work others had put in to gain these by questing for their respective Divine's attention and favor was somehow lost in the past. Those quests made for excellent character building, and this is, after all, a Roleplaying game, so character development should be promoted.
Proposal:
Add in separate Endgame races for the different deities, that people can aspire towards.
Make them connected to their deity, and change/shift depending on Their stance. Allow said deity to rip them apart if they no longer deserve said form, making it necessary for them to reform as an ordinary Idreth when returning from the Halls. It should be seen as a privilege, something obtained after hard work has been put in.
It doesn't have to be much, or have a lot of stuff added to it, even though that's certainly something that can be added and should be possible. Look at how Chiav works, which is a good example of what could be accomplished that adds a lot of flavor for those who are devoted to a certain Divine.
It doesn't have to be much, or have a lot of stuff added to it, even though that's certainly something that can be added and should be possible. Look at how Chiav works, which is a good example of what could be accomplished that adds a lot of flavor for those who are devoted to a certain Divine.
Teani
7
Re: Mirror classes
just make sure when you get bored, your attention turns to shadow templar first.
Rijetta
0