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Re: Mirror classes
I don't know, it seems to me that hopping tethers ought to be punishing. I would disagree with outright losing lessons because it makes no sense that you'd magically forget everything. But your artifacts? If I'm a carpenter and then decide I'm going to be a scientist one day, I'll still have my carpentry knowledge, but my tools? Better stash em incase getting published is too hard. Or I could sell them to jumpstart my lab. Just my thoughts.
Demarcus
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Re: Announce post #3165: Command rate limit
...seriously? How can you need to input more than 6, let alone more than 50? Even if you need to just spray commands everywhere, I think that's beyond a reasonable burden of expectation for the game itself to handle.
Tiur
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Re: Mirror classes
There has ALWAYS been a huge cost to sidehopping long before mirror classes were even considered. You still lost lessons for forgetting tether-specific classes. You still lost credits for trading in artifacts that were no longer useful to the classes you had available to you. Whatever investment you had was lost the minute you sidehopped.
That was always the case, and after mirror classes, that'll still be the case.
If anything, there'd be fewer reasons to sidehop except for RP since every class will be available to both sides of the game.
If you've made the conscious decision to jump ship to the other side before mirror classes, you did it knowing you'd be taking losses. It's not a decision made lightly, and more than a few people have gone back and forth between tethers several times.
Yes, the mirror class is going to be mechanically identical to the original. Does it suck that your old class artifacts won't work with the mirrored class on your new tether? Of course it does. But you swapped sides knowing there'd be a penalty.
People love to talk about Aetolia being an RP game, but RP also has consequences, and a lot of times those consequences impact your investment. But you're also making decisions based on your investment too. Sunk a lot of gold and credits into your character, but suddenly don't like all the people around you? Or maybe RP circumstances have led things to a point where a sidehop might make sense.
If being where you are is such a pain, you're either going to sidehop anyway and eat the cost or roll an alt. If the investment loss is too much for you to handle, then maybe you'll reconsider your options or just suck it up and try to deal with the situation you've got.
That was always the case, and after mirror classes, that'll still be the case.
If anything, there'd be fewer reasons to sidehop except for RP since every class will be available to both sides of the game.
If you've made the conscious decision to jump ship to the other side before mirror classes, you did it knowing you'd be taking losses. It's not a decision made lightly, and more than a few people have gone back and forth between tethers several times.
Yes, the mirror class is going to be mechanically identical to the original. Does it suck that your old class artifacts won't work with the mirrored class on your new tether? Of course it does. But you swapped sides knowing there'd be a penalty.
People love to talk about Aetolia being an RP game, but RP also has consequences, and a lot of times those consequences impact your investment. But you're also making decisions based on your investment too. Sunk a lot of gold and credits into your character, but suddenly don't like all the people around you? Or maybe RP circumstances have led things to a point where a sidehop might make sense.
If being where you are is such a pain, you're either going to sidehop anyway and eat the cost or roll an alt. If the investment loss is too much for you to handle, then maybe you'll reconsider your options or just suck it up and try to deal with the situation you've got.
Re: Mirror classes
I just wanted to chime in here to this point.
Switching from a class to its mirror would be a very different dynamic. You're not trading something you're not going to use to buy something new, you're trading it in to buy what you already have. It's going to generate a lot of Feels Bad. I think the current system is going to have to be adjusted to account for that as mirror classes are released.
Let's look at something like League of Legends for an example.
Champ 1 has:
- Damage in a line attack
- Crowd control that roots
- Some form of escape skill
- Ultimate that does a ton of damage
New champion is released. New ability FX, new model, new animations, new lore, new promotion for it, new skins, all of it.
Champ 2 has:
- Damage in a line attack
- Crowd control that roots
- Some form of escape skill
- Ultimate that does a ton of damage
Does that make them less of a new champion?
You buy the new champion because you love their theme, aesthetic, and lore - even if the skeleton is the same. The same principle applies to mirror classes.
You're not going to be trading in Archivist to play Archivist-But-With-White-Robes-Instead, you're trading in Archivist to play Botanist, or Jester, or Treant, or something else different.
Note: Those are not hints, they are entirely made up.
The only difference in sidehopping from Ascendril -> Archivist or Ascendril -> mirror Ascendril is that you'll already have a familiarity with the core strategy and offerings of the class if you choose mirror Ascendril instead; everything else is different. The class is different, the aesthetic is different, the roleplay is different, the lore is different, all of it.
Brax
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Re: Mirror classes
IRE's gotta make money and mirror classes are as much a business venture for them as it is supplying an in demand feature to us.
The point of mirror classes, I would think, is partially to ensure that you don't feel you need to sidehop to get access to that cool class you want to play but don't wanna give up your RP for.
Wanting to change your RP is a completely different issue, as Tiur said.
PS. Spoilers? Please? Or maybe a new ETA? Newbie channel leak said End of Month, but we're on 1/29/21 and don't expect you to hold to that with so much in the air.
The point of mirror classes, I would think, is partially to ensure that you don't feel you need to sidehop to get access to that cool class you want to play but don't wanna give up your RP for.
Wanting to change your RP is a completely different issue, as Tiur said.
PS. Spoilers? Please? Or maybe a new ETA? Newbie channel leak said End of Month, but we're on 1/29/21 and don't expect you to hold to that with so much in the air.
Iesid
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Re: Mirror classes
Most likely it will be new artifacts that do the same thing. I don't think there are really more than one or two artifacts meant to share functionality across classes anyway. We also don't want to encourage blurring the line between tethers.
Tiur
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Sect v3.0?
I recently thought of a neat idea that may address one of the biggest problems with Sect. Match fixing.
To my surprise players actually plan Sect matches with friends for practice. From my understanding this isn’t what the Sect arena is for. City arenas are perfectly capable when friends would like to spar for practice.
But within Sect whoever places a challenge should be prepared to fight any warriors ready to step forward. In order to improve the integrity of the rank system, I thought of a very simple idea that should be easy to implement.
A Sect Pool. Whenever a challenge is placed, a 30 second to 1 minute timer begins. During this time anyone can accept this challenge and when the time runs out. BAM! RNG kicks in and places you with a random player from the pool.
A Sect Pool. Whenever a challenge is placed, a 30 second to 1 minute timer begins. During this time anyone can accept this challenge and when the time runs out. BAM! RNG kicks in and places you with a random player from the pool.
This small improvement would get rid of the possibility of planned Sect matches. Eventually multiple Sect instances could be made as well.
Jhin
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Re: What race would you like to see next?
Ok but we already can play enough furry racesTeani said:I think it would be better to leave the Seyda be, since the Caentoi seem quite similar to them in some sense. Since Caentoi are Albedos, leave that for later (potentially).
Ok but we're never going to play an Albedi race
Bulrok
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Goodbye
Hey all.
I'm retiring. I'm only posting this to clear the air. There's no drama, no ill will. My time with Aetolia has just come to an end. It's been a very long and wild ride.
Thank you to everyone, and I mean everyone I've interacted with on Savas, short or long term. I could write a huge novel about all the wonderful scenes I've had, with enemies, with friends, with family and with guildmates but I worry I'd miss someone.
So, just thank you. For all the great times and even all the not so great times.
I'm retiring. I'm only posting this to clear the air. There's no drama, no ill will. My time with Aetolia has just come to an end. It's been a very long and wild ride.
Thank you to everyone, and I mean everyone I've interacted with on Savas, short or long term. I could write a huge novel about all the wonderful scenes I've had, with enemies, with friends, with family and with guildmates but I worry I'd miss someone.
So, just thank you. For all the great times and even all the not so great times.
Savas
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Re: Small Ideas - AIN'T NO COMBAT THREAD
I guess this doesn't really warrant a full thread, but the Aetolia API undermines/inhibits several forms of RP and can be a particular hindrance for guilds such as the Syssin. At the very least it feels like having a player's guild taken out of the API listing would be good for belaying metagaming, but it's surprising to me that someone's city is in there as well.
Tetchta
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