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Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
Secondly here is my notes so far while I was reading everything.:
Macavity Against role claim unsure of no lynch at start, Actual started the No lynch vote
Vharen voted Macavity unvote Mac vote Daskalos
Meskhenet Against No lynch
Moirean Wanted Role claim and no lynch,attacked by everyone in night round.
Sarita Voted Kaeus
Desian quiet since first posting
Haern (newbie) Voted No lynch
Aldric Voted No Lynch
Llok First rd voted Demarcus switched to No lynch
Ilyon Vote Haern to force talk, Unvote Haern switch to Aldric, unvote Aldric switch to Nolycnh
Aryanne
Aarbrok Voted Alexina
Minarael voted Aren switched to No Lynch
Piper
Periluna Voted No Lynch
Jasline Voted No lynch
Xenia Voted No Lynch
Kaeus Quiet since first post.
Damonicus Voted No Lynch. Made an ass out of himself round 3
Aren Voted no Lynch
Daskalos (newbie) Voted No Lynch
Teani voted Sarita to force Sarita to talk, Switched to Aarbrok, unvite Aarbrok switch to Aldric, unvote Aldric switch to no lynch
Demarcus Random sim to vote for Aren
Esper
Alexina voted Aarbrok
More to come a bit later.
I'm very rarely comfortable with anyone defending someone else. That would imply inside knowledge not readily available to others. For having 1 day and night round thus far, there really isn't much of a chance for Llok to have inside knowledge of anyone else other than posts, and I personally would really not feel comfortable defending someone off of 1 post only. I'm down to see where this Llok train ends up, might end up with 2 for the price of 1.
Vote: Llok
I don't really agree that quiet = guilty. Having lives outside of this I tend to view quiet =busy.
My comment was meant to convey that if it was bothering us we would think he is guilty.
The here comes the perms focus comment was about him voting for me.
As for Desian, he's played multiple ways in multiple games. I've known him to be quiet and innocent. Quiet and guilty.
Moirean is being as loud as she was last time. She made good sense last time. She was guilty last time. She was innocent last time.
Don't think I'm defending him or excusing him. I'm not. Frankly I would join a train on him because I don't believe he is adding anything to the game at this point.
I'm more suspicious of the -active- people who add little. People like Dask or piper.
I don't suspect damonicous or Moirean at this point. Everyone else is fair game at this point.
So going back and looking through all the posts of the two people that have been named as suspicious we have:
-Desian was the third person to post on the first page. He basically said not to lynch an experienced player.
-Llok was the fourth person to post on the first page and he voted for Demarcus for being annoying. Even though Demarcus had yet to talk at all.
-Llok posts that Sarita's idea would be easy to exploit.
-Llok argues against a no lynch and raises some points as to why.
-Llok posts that a bunch of people are talking and not voting either way.
-Llok argues against a no lynch again and thinks that the Rellwy should work with the Conclaves initially.
-Llok then votes for the no lynch saying that Omei might be cruel and that the wrong people are running the game.
-Llok says we should have lynched someone and gives his opinion on the results of the no lynch and night round stuff.
-Llok and Damonicus then get into it with each other.
-Llok then defends himself when Ilyon votes for him.
-Llok then makes a joke when Teani votes for him.
-Llok gives his opinion on the logic being used this round.
-And now we're at Llok's current post where he explains his logic/thought processes somewhat.
I've come to the conclusion that only four of his posts so far were actually contributing something to the game.
We have people voting for him because 1.) he seemed to contradict himself, 2.) People don't seem to like him, 3.) His logic is convoluted, and 4.) His being more vocal than Desian could mean they're on the same team.
Looking back at everything and taking the context into account as well, I'm not yet convinced that he isn't a Rellyw. But then it's probably too early to tell who is and isn't yet. I'm going to look through some things again and think a bit more before I vote.
There is a whole lot of convoluted logic in the thread of Llok babble. The defense of another player also makes me a little antsy. That's an odd thing to do when everyone is a potential suspect.
Quiet isn't automatically suspect but it is problematic. We need to see people participate to get a read on their motivations and follow thought patterns. People who are active on the thread but aren't posting are definitely suspect unless they provide a solid justification for it. People who are normally really noisy and are suddenly quiet are also suspect. It's in the best interest of someone holding a power role to sit tight and relatively quiet. Noise makers draw attention to themselves.
I -definitely- don't think we should automatically assume Moirean's innocent simply because the Jailer pegged her. She is loudly defending an idea which only serves the rellyw (no lynch), which makes her probably innocent. The best option out of a whole host of players to protect, also an obvious target for both the Conclaves (no lynch is bad for them) and the Indorani (looking to off anyone not them and hopefully a rellyw to keep the Conclaves in check). Everyone targeting her isn't really all that surprising. I am putting her on the 'probably safe' pile, but I don't feel enough goodwill to start sharing info with her.
If she was either conclave there would have been two kills attempted during the night.
Honestly, from what I see, Llok has a habit of flailing around with his 'logic' whenever the focus is on him. I don't suspect him of being innocent but I think that he'll never come across as 'innocent' or a rellyw because the man just doesn't know how. Not defending him, just pointing that out.
"Periluna is innocent. Well, she's a Rellyw, anyway."
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Gathers momentum with no substance, forcing me into a position of defending myself, being debated by multiple people, forcing me into a position of further defending myself.
Then people come along and call me loud.
They then take things out of context and say I'm jumping all over the place. When I'm actually consistent.
I've been a lot quieter this game till this round where this ill-formed bandwagon has come along.
The indorani have no active skills besides the Summoner who doubles a lynch vote, so are you telling me the Summoner wasted his skill on a large no lynch train???
Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
― Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
@Llok - While I think the initial train on you was poorly started, your explanation of the series of events that followed is not quite accurate. Frankly, offing you is probably useful whether you are guilty or innocent, because you tend to instigate a lot of baffling, useless discussion. Having sat on it for a bit, I think I'm generally in favor of training you simply to keep things moving in a good way. Plus Vharen has a good point about you being awfully quiet this time 'round comparatively.