Short COMBAT Questions

Oleis

Weird. I dunno! Maybe vanillaforums pushed out an update. I didn't do anything on purpose.

You may have noticed that some of our post editing options poofed, too. Can't find those anywhere.

Setne

I tried to mimic it by quoting your post, but the preview didn't show it, and yes, the missing posting options makes me sad.

Oleis

Setne said:

I tried to mimic it by quoting your post, but the preview didn't show it, and yes, the missing posting options makes me sad.

It won't show on the preview, but it does show in the main thread for nested quotes above 3(?) levels. Neat!

Moirean

Oleis said:

Setne said:

I tried to mimic it by quoting your post, but the preview didn't show it, and yes, the missing posting options makes me sad.

It won't show on the preview, but it does show in the main thread for nested quotes above 3(?) levels. Neat!

orly

testing said:

imps said:

I can trick it!

Ishin

@Everyone : I've heard that dstab has a speed cap at like 2.44 or something. Is this a hard-cap, or more of an 'effective cap' because trying to stack speed past it is not worth?

Rou

Ishin said:

@Everyone : I've heard that dstab has a speed cap at like 2.44 or something. Is this a hard-cap, or more of an 'effective cap' because trying to stack speed past it is not worth?

If it's anything like it was before the global speed reduction, even 180 speed and a level 3 rune will only net you a few hundreths of a second. I haven't noticed any difference between a 178 and a 180 either. I haven't done any tests in a long while though, it might be worth poking at.

Ishin

Once you hit 178, there's no difference between that and 180. I only forged a billion for a 180 because I got a rune to stick on it. I'm down to 2.45s with it, but tbh the level3 rune isn't worth it for dstab speed.

I want to say 178-180 is what, 2.47s? If that's the case, I'd probably be better off to just break the one I have and put my rune on my flail for lolTeradrimbashing.

Toz

Teradrim flail doesn't care about any stat but damage anyway afaik. So uh, you actually should just get a 178-179 damage flail and ignore the other stats there, too >_>

Ishin

Toz said:

Teradrim flail doesn't care about any stat but damage anyway afaik. So uh, you actually should just get a 178-179 damage flail and ignore the other stats there, too >_>

I did >.> My flail's like 179 and it just chills, lol, smoking the shit out of stuff that I crit on. Batter be nasty, yo.

Ishin

So uh...does the Deadening affliction still do anything for Syssin, or is that now a legacy aff like Selarnia? If so...liaison report time >.>

Elyni

Affliction: Deadening.
Diagnose: of a deadened mind.
Cure message: You are no longer deadened.

Description:
Increases the speed of obtaining a mind lock upon you by 20%.

Herb: Nothing. Slice: Nothing.
Salve: Nothing. Poultice: Nothing.
Smoked: Elm. Tincture: Demulcent.
Special: Nothing.
[6400(104)|4830(105)-(103)|(104)] ~0~ [B:100%] [db--b] 43.56%

Seems no.

Furtum

178 dirk dstab without balance enhancement is 2.66.

Ishin

So the 'lol u mist' line for flaying shield/rebounding is the same. How hard would it be to get it changed to like, 'You can't flay Ishin's shield because he doesn't have one.' or something like that, instead of the generic 'lolnope' line there is now??

Furtum

Ishin said:

So the 'lol u mist' line for flaying shield/rebounding is the same. How hard would it be to get it changed to like, 'You can't flay Ishin's shield because he doesn't have one.' or something like that, instead of the generic 'lolnope' line there is now??

I just made it make my aff tracker show target has no rebound shield or sileris, but it would be nice if it were more specific.

Stathan

Anyone know offhand the difference in dsk speed with balance bonus vs no bonus with right at max speed swords? Hitting 2.10 dsk and wondering if it would be worth it to be tankier at the cost of a dsk ever 4 seconds or something.

Ashmer

Stathan said:

Anyone know offhand the difference in dsk speed with balance bonus vs no bonus with right at max speed swords? Hitting 2.10 dsk and wondering if it would be worth it to be tankier at the cost of a dsk ever 4 seconds or something.

I don't have the numbers off of the top of my head, but if it's anything over .1 seconds it's worth the enhancement point, in my opinion. Max health doesn't factor heavily into defensive capability in PK right now.

Areka

Just reincarnated to test. DSK without +bal and two 178 speed scimitars was 2.26 seconds, the same but WITH +bal was 2.10 seconds.

Stathan

Ashmer said:

I don't have the numbers off of the top of my head, but if it's anything over .1 seconds it's worth the enhancement point, in my opinion. Max health doesn't factor heavily into defensive capability in PK right now.

Thank you @Areka for the numbers.

But, @Ashmer I think I need to expand on my reasoning. Lately, I've been first target at lessers and my logic was that extra 600 health or so would be very very helpful.

Ashmer

Stathan said:

Ashmer said:

I don't have the numbers off of the top of my head, but if it's anything over .1 seconds it's worth the enhancement point, in my opinion. Max health doesn't factor heavily into defensive capability in PK right now.

Thank you @Areka for the numbers.

But, @Ashmer I think I need to expand on my reasoning. Lately, I've been first target at lessers and my logic was that extra 600 health or so would be very very helpful.

An additional 600 health isn't going to help you. If five people pile on you at a lesser and you don't leave the room, you're going to die. Just ask @Daskalos, who has upwards of 8,000 health.

Lim

@stathan: If you aren't a whore (like me) who can afford a lyre, best thing you can do is shield up, and leave the room the moment they enter. Wait 1-2 seconds for them to swap targets, then go back in. Watch for when their current target is going to drop, and get ready to leave. Faster balance might help with keeping your up-time that allows you to remain mobile. Like Ashmer says, 600 health won't help that much - at the most it'll buy you an extra attack if the attacks land properly. It's still the shield (absorbing one guy's balance) + leaving the room ASAP that will keep you from spending the lesser battle in conversation with Varian.

Daskalos

Lyres are pointless for those of us on the life side... Mentis goes through it and Carnifex can raze it. Maybe that can be changed or something. One can hope, right @Oleis?

Draiman

I fully support doing something about it. My suggestion? Remove the lyre. >.>

Ishin

Lol. Lrn2skills.

Moirean

Daskalos said:

Lyres are pointless for those of us on the life side... Mentis goes through it and Carnifex can raze it. Maybe that can be changed or something. One can hope, right @Oleis?

Lyre is far more useful for lifers. We can erode it, but that is a specific check, whereas Lumis can attempt attacks and chain an order at the end for free. And, ya know, I'm like the only person who rolls up as Carni, whereas Lumi is insanely popular atm.

Ezalor

@Stathan yeah extra HP isn't going to do diddly squat when a horde targets you.

Also being first target is a symptom of playing Templar class >.> it's the equivalent of a taunt vs the darkie side pretty much.

Stathan

Ezalor said:

@Stathan yeah extra HP isn't going to do diddly squat when a horde targets you.

Also being first target is a symptom of playing Templar class >.> it's the equivalent of a taunt vs the darkie side pretty much.

Don't give me that crap <.<

You said the same thing about being a monk because "kai banish is unicorns". You just like making me feel loved.

Ezalor

Weeeeeell Monk just happens to be right after Templar on the hate list!

Not so much anymore though with Banish being curbed!

Moirean

Templar's retribution is insanely potent in team fights, so we tend to attack them first. However, there's a lot of various factors that go into who I call as target (If I'm leading) so I always find it a bit funny when people assume they are some fixed and immutable PK priority (and bitch and whine about it. This really goes for both sides).

Stathan

Moirean said:

Templar's retribution is insanely potent in team fights, so we tend to attack them first. However, there's a lot of various factors that go into who I call as target (If I'm leading) so I always find it a bit funny when people assume they are some fixed and immutable PK priority (and bitch and whine about it. This really goes for both sides).

Oh no, I find it amusing when I'm first target over Val or Conner. Mainly because that's almost the exact opposite tactic they normally run on this side of the fence. Take out the highest threat first, not the lowest. Though there are priority lists and so on so unless the same 5 people show up at a lesser (yeah right) at the same time at every lesser, the kill order changes. I was just commenting on being first target lately because I do get gibbed pretty quick. Doesn't bother me, just trying to find ways to survive a bit longer.

Also @Ezalor, I repeat myself. You just know how to make a guy feel loved.

Moirean

Yeah, the fact that you drop quick makes you priority, in certain team comps.