Short Questions

Toz

Psst. Just change them to be a physical location that you go to, leaving a tether behind. Then you can WREST the TETHER and life makes sense again.

Aishia

(Ie how it is now)

Toz

Aishia said:

(Ie how it is now)

Except right now it's some weird 'your body doesn't leave you do' thing, so far as I'm aware? Did I miss a change?

Aishia

Nah I was referring to how it works mechanically fitting the description.

Haven

I'm all for personally deleting havens and never seeing them return. But alas! I understand how players might be too attached to them at this point. If you were to remove havens, not sure what'd be comparable to a free house. Maybe consider lowering prices for actual houses?

Xavin

Honestly, havens are a sort of thing that...well, no one really was asking for it before it happened but now that people have them the vast majority would be angry if they were removed. I think the best solution is to change the 'lore' of them a bit, like @Toz said - it was always a physical demiplane you went to before rather than simply a mind-space like it is now. Just make it that again, and keep a way to wrest people back. Even if the 'shell' message is changed to make it more obvious that it's actually a physical place. I mean, there's too many things that don't make sense with it being a weird mind-space like it is now.

Teani

I'd prefer if they were nuked. <.<

Axius

I'd prefer if they were -kept-, honestly. I like being able to enter my haven within my locked office in the game when I need a few seconds to run off and do something but it's not gonna be longer than fifteen minutes.

Vyxsis

Haven said:

I'm all for personally deleting havens and never seeing them return. But alas! I understand how players might be too attached to them at this point. If you were to remove havens, not sure what'd be comparable to a free house. Maybe consider lowering prices for actual houses?

three things

1) seems easy to call for deleting havens as somebody who chronically afks in an area literally no one without lumi can get to
2) at least in achaea, it's feasible to buy a house with gold thanks to the subdivision map system. i wouldn't mind that - actually, i'd like that, but i'm a little reticent to delete havens before seeing it implemented
3) havens are good. delete haven.

thanks for reading

Erzsebet

Having a haven is a big part of the reason I've dragged 20 out of 22 alts to endgame.

I'm with Toz. They don't need to be nuked, just make it a tether instead of a shell and nix the 'it's headspace' nonsense that makes no sense and go back to the 'you're on another plane' logic, with a tether to the prime material plane that can be used to jerk your ass down again.

Kalak

There is no reason to change the lore behind the Havens. It can be rather amusing to RP them as a mental space after all...sure it sucks for those who RP physical stuff but then how you can justify house prices being that high? You cannot.

The paragon approach would be to allow both styles to be chosen, attempting to make everyone happy (tether or mental space)

The neutral approach would be to let things remain as it is.

The renegade approach would be to delete all Havens and making houses far less pricey to acquire.

Arbre

They've already lowered the price of houses once - the first room costs the same, but the price of stone vs the cost in credits is quite a bit lower for additional rooms.

As much as I love my haven, I wouldn't complain too terribly badly if it were deleted.

Xavin

This wouldn't be a change to the lore behind Havens so much as restoring the lore to what it was before it was arbitrarily changed.

Rhyot

I'm on the side of deleting havens. Sure, I like my haven because I have end/wp/mana/hp regen with training room and a plethora of other bonuses that it's essentially a super room. But it's by far unnecessary. If you truly wanted a place to stay to afk/privately rp/talk/etc, you can always utilize your Development Minister and obtain an apartment within the city. Or buy a house deed and get a house, or sit in a guildhall or whatever and do your thing.

In my opinion, havens merely offer another safety net for people who want safety nets. I don't think we need more safety nets, I think we need less.

Haven

Vyxsis said:

I'm all for personally deleting havens and never seeing them return. But alas! I understand how players might be too attached to them at this point. If you were to remove havens, not sure what'd be comparable to a free house. Maybe consider lowering prices for actual houses?

three things 1) seems easy to call for deleting havens as somebody who chronically afks in an area literally no one without lumi can get to 2) at least in achaea, it's feasible to buy a house with gold thanks to the subdivision map system. i wouldn't mind that - actually, i'd like that, but i'm a little reticent to delete havens before seeing it implemented 3) havens are good. delete haven. thanks for reading

@Vyxsis I cannot tell if you're joking or not.

Vyxsis

Haven said:

Vyxsis said:

Haven said:

I'm all for personally deleting havens and never seeing them return. But alas! I understand how players might be too attached to them at this point. If you were to remove havens, not sure what'd be comparable to a free house. Maybe consider lowering prices for actual houses?

three things

1) seems easy to call for deleting havens as somebody who chronically afks in an area literally no one without lumi can get to
2) at least in achaea, it's feasible to buy a house with gold thanks to the subdivision map system. i wouldn't mind that - actually, i'd like that, but i'm a little reticent to delete havens before seeing it implemented
3) havens are good. delete haven.

thanks for reading

@Vyxsis I cannot tell if you're joking or not.

(that's usually the goal)

>:3c

Kasimir

http://oldforums.aetolia.com/

This doesn't seem to work anymore. There another way to access?

Aishia

https://www.aetolia.com/forum/active

Noon

Are there any plans to update Firstaid with the cures for the new afflictions?

Razmael

Which aren't in it?

Sivekui

@Razmael a few of the new ones seem to be missing like patterns was, latix, blisters, effuse blood.. to name a few of top of my head.


Also question: ARE tells now OOC in any format? As im getitng pretty annoyed at people thinking tells are OOC ... unless specified .. I just want to clerify I've not missed the Memo!

Zaila

Tells are absolutely considered IC unless otherwise indicated.  (With various forms of forward slashes/parenthesis/ simply stating "OOC:", etc,)

Some players are a bit bad about keeping OOC tells specified as OOC - but they are the exception; and unless they're noobs, they should know better.

You didn't miss a memo

Sivekui

clearly I did, as I had a ICchat in tells with a stranger.. never spoke to before, which I thought was IC but turns out was OOC and I'm the dumb one.. I wish people had common sense most days

Zaila

What you do when that happens is politely OOCly point out that tells are IC unless noted otherwise and apologize that you'll have to assume that the conversation had, indeed, been IC and then react accordingly IC about how their character is apparently insane. The more insistently IC you are, the more they'll follow suit.

Sivekui

Zaila said:

What you do when that happens is politely OOCly point out that tells are IC unless noted otherwise and apologize that you'll have to assume that the conversation had, indeed, been IC and then react accordingly IC about how their character is apparently insane. The more insistently IC you are, the more they'll follow suit.

I did, I asked if hes talking ooc or icly.. say in tell x ooc: is that ic or ooc that tell?"

where I got insulted, in tells icly (since never told me it was ooc) and was called dumb etc...

Its why I was double checking TELLS are ic unless ooc: verb etc or whatnot .. I thought i was the one going senial,

Sofiel

Okay so I don't mean to ruin the spirit of the surprise or whatever, but can someone please message me what the shopfox (the overburdened fox) does? The announce post hints at a super secret interaction and I'm bad at figuring things out for myself.

Thank you!

Ishin

Delete havens.

Also on a note about clans and tells and IC/OOC...technically anything that happens in the game or is said by the game etcetera is 'in-character'. Accepting something said, even on a clan or a tell marked OOC, -as- OOC is by mutual agreement between the two players. It's one of the reasons I really dislike being in a lot of high-traffic OOC clans and/or rarely talk in them. I like to settle my shit in-character.

Mharduz

Ishin said:

Delete havens.

I'm protesting havens by not creating one. I'll just AFK at the Inner Gate like everyone else.

Tiur

Mharduz said:

Ishin said:

Delete havens.

I'm protesting havens by not creating one. I'll just AFK at the Inner Gate like everyone else.

Our room database thanks you

Aishia

I'll make an extra room in my haven for every person who says they're not gunna make a haven.