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Ankyrean Anguish - Aetolia-based RAGE
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I get there are divergent ideals behind just how far Enorian should take the zealot-stance. Some want a city more dedicated toward Freedom with the trappings therein, while others want a hard-line against all things that are not Light, Life, and Dawn. Since your choices at the moment are either Beacon of Light and the Council of Nature if you want to be living, makes it a really difficult place to create a Neutral-Good, or Chaotic-Good character that is not Nature-Aligned.
What I would like to see is for Enorian to pick an ideal and stick with it. If it is going to be White to Bloodloch's Black, chase it hardcore. If it is going to be more laid-back, chase that. I really think, though, there is something that could be had with being a hard-liner. Is it easy? Nope. Does it fit everyone? Nope. But neither does Bloodloch, and I think Enorian has, and can, serve well as the opposite to Bloodloch.
Zealotry is so -flimsy- in this game. Who among them even -does- anything concrete, ICly, to push it? And yes, I get it. PK isn't the only option. But.. when you're arguing against people on the basis that they stand by and let evil happen, you should be pretty damned sure your character is out and about trying to stop it yourself. By that argument, you're just as 'evil by association', if all you're doing is sitting in Enorian talking about how bad the bad guys are.
My point here isn't to bash the Daru at all, because I think they've got an awesome thing going for them, and a GM who actually knows how to make things fun. My point is, that option for hard-line exists, and it should not be at the bottom of a funnel that -all- players who want to have a 'good' character have to fall into.
The RP scenarios here are so canned and black and white sometimes that it gets frustrating. What sense in taking it seriously and playing a character that doesn't fit an archetype or someone else's idea of what the 'right' answer is, when realistically you're going to be pushed and shoved and forced into decisions and restrictions that are mechanical, 'game based' stuff that we, arguably, can't get rid of for one reason or another, one abuse potential or another?
All in all, it leads to just not giving a shit and a mentality that I've traditionally hated, where I'm sitting in my haven or my house RPing serious stuff with a few people who are willing to actually play it, and then just don't give a shit about taking the rest of the game seriously. Why not raid Enorian for shits and giggles? Why not try and hang @damariel? I'm a bad guy anyway, right? Meh.
This isn't an attitude I am proud of, and I'm trying to fix it. I'm trying very hard to take the game as a whole seriously again, for what it's worth. Just.. had a bit of a rough time there. I'll probably get bashed for even speaking of it, but eh. Bash away.
That -said-, Enorian, I think, could do well with giving more for the evil side to respond to, as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels very much like scenarios go down like this: Something 'evil' happens. Enorian reacts. Enorian gets laughed at. Enorian goes home. Evil gets to play all day in the rain. Enorian shrugs and considers they tried already and need wait until something else 'evil' happens.
I agree that zealot can be both boring and downright impossible to pull off well. I get that it isn't fun to be pushed into a specific role and feeling scorned if that role isn't accepted. But, on the flip side of things, going against societal norms always has a backlash, and even though Enorian does it very very very very badly, many still see Enorian as "rawr light". If that ideal is going to change for either better or worse, it is either going to take some very subtle shifting over a long time, or a sudden, drastic administration-driven change.
Personally? Killien is trying to get Enorian to uphold their ideals more. He wants Enorian to go full-force forward toward the ideal of Dawn. Do I expect it to do that? Not any time soon, but I can always hope the city, as a whole, forms a focused, communal ideal for the Beacon.
From my perspective, it would seem that Enorian is too busy running people off to allow for much good/bad interaction. Last week we had the Ciem event, and nobody from the the Lifer side even bothered to show up.
Let's see... Who from the Lifer side do I ever see doing anything that allows for interaction with our side, be it Pk or RP? @Aishia, @Valingar, for Lessers. @Renarin sometimes. @Raeche is always up for trying to get some sort of PK going. @Zezi cracks me up with (her?) RP. Not a very long list. Maybe there is some stuff going on that completely escapes my radar, but from what I see there is not much going on. Not saying that it is all you guys fault. Sadly, we tend to stand around waiting for something to happen as well.
That's why I love to Raid. Only way I know to guarantee interaction and conflict.
Edit: I shouldn't be forced to have constant arguments and endless distaste and dislike for someone on my own side. I know you can't get along with everyone but c'mon people. Quit attacking your own damn citizens both ICly and OOCly.
As far as rp goes, I won't argue there. Not a whole lot of interaction, of late, between the lifers and the not-so-lifers. Will have to get out there when my schedule settles down. I'll gladly take ownership of not putting Killien outside Enorian more.
The other side is just -theeeem-. Ew. Cooties.
My rage? Being a night owl who works at 6am, but I can't change my shift due to the work I do at my company. Soon though, VERY SOOON.
It's all about the end goal, blazing the way for the Age of Dawn. Everyone who does not actively walk that path is deserving of cleansing death by fire. And anyone innocent who gets in the way of the cleansing flames is a casualty of war.
It's a lot of fun to play, but the problem with it is that I'm not a PK person. I don't -like- PK, even on the characters I'm capable of it on. There's not really other options one can -do- to be proactive about it, beyond like...setting undead NPC places on fire and such, which does nothing mechanically and usually ends up killing a novice which isn't my goal as a player. There's not much I can do with the opposite side beyond snarl at them and threaten to catch them on fire when encountered. She does believe in redemption, but not enough so to -try- for it without unasked for indication of repentance.
My rage is that this inflexibility, while true to the character, doesn't really give me any recourse to really have any meaningful RP with anyone on the opposing side of the world. Or, really, anyone outside that specific zealot mindset.
I am a bit irritated that to be even a mid-tier fighter with Prae, I have to go high str and two hander, and if I want o make sure I actually win, I have to get a small fortune of artifacts to min-max it so I can actually accomplish my goal.
I think unifying behind the Dawn thing makes sense, and it's different from Shadow or Undeath because they just want to exist, and do exist. Enorian exists to fulfill the end of all that, which may or may not happen.
I also think a lot of this is just natural and healthy growing pains for the direction the game has taken, and players (read: not characters, necessarily) should stop being such unicorns to each other over stuff. It's a game, pls2be having fun and having other people around you have fun.
the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
open hand or closed fist would be fine
blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine
the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
open hand or closed fist would be fine
blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine
I love zealot rp. Love it. But specifically, I love -Daru- zealot rp. I see the way the majority of Enorian has taken 'zealotry' and made it into a really harmful tool to throw at people they don't like, scaring and running people off - which is why Enorian was better served as being a strongly GOOD organization, where those inbetween people could fit in. Where they did have a role. Where there used to be diversity. Now, not to say that my -character- along with all other Daru leaders that have been involved in Enorian's politics over the years didn't believe in Enorian being stronger for the Light/Dawn, but that was my rp. That was being true to my character, and trust me, the Daru's ideas of zealotry/the Light/what that means are very different from the ones Enorian is now brandishing.
Infact, I don't even think most of Enorian knows what the Light is supposed to be. They never have, that was the biggest issue they always faced - no clearly defined, unified direction.
But now I've seen my own zealot punished by zealots, for remaining true to her person.
It's confusing. It's not really an enjoyable atmosphere, even for a Daru. When it's that kind of 'zealotry', I don't really agree with it.
That aside, I miss Enorian's good-aligned nature, because it allowed my guild to be defined as 'zealots', which they've always been, within the city and outside it. Now, it's so.. everywhere and it's become a big melting pot, that reading stuff like this makes me bristle, even knowing what everyone is talking about, because the Daru held that role for the longest time. They still do, it's just, not the same kind of zealotry, I suppose.
The proactive nature of a zealot is extremely difficult to actually push. I think everyone, if they consider our positions, can come to the same conclusion about why that is.
Edit: That's not to say I'm not working on my own ideas to create solutions to this problem, it's just all work in progress right now. Whether even that will be successful is another question entirely.
From my understanding, Haven's 'uncompromising light' was actually a thin veneer to channel his sociopathic tendencies in a direction that was marginally acceptable, and that he never actually believed in it at all, using it instead to dupe Enorian before his inevitable switch back to the dark side.
Which doesn't sound like what people are trying to convey at all.