I said if you build it first, meaning before t2 boots or Ancient Golem / Lizard Elder.
The spirit stones provide more of a damage increase for clearing than BOTRK does, and as such, you clear the jungle faster and get levels quicker than with a BOTRK (Shyv being the exception here because of her stupidly strong AOE clearing + mana less + Q cd being quickened through autos (hence why she is such a good jungler in solo queue)) - this leads to you most likely being weaker than the enemy jungler, and falling behind.
(Hint: the other junglers that it's a strong item on are Udyr (squishy as hell building it first), Vi (same as Udyr, worse because she has no innate defence), Jax (can be built first, but really risky), Nocturne (Like Vi, except squishier than her even, and easily kited if ganking without ult) and Zed (same with Jax here) ) - I did say the exception, as well, was building it if you're already really far ahead, and just building it 'for lulz' to get an even better lead.
@Haven: split push towers all day and mushroom their whole jungle + press W and spam Ctrl+4 when they send 3 people to try and stop you? 'Knowing how to use Teemo' is not rocket science - Max Q first -> auto->q->auto and watch them lose half their HP and not be able to do anything to counter that while in lane. I agree with Draiman, Teemo should die.
Some of these games are painful to lose. Ah, well. You win some and you lose some.
I've had games like that, where I and even sometimes other people on my team just wreck house, yet we still lose Largely because the enemy team starts cc'ing me hard and my team aren't working with me.
Yeah... It can be tough. Unfortunately, aside from the blunders of the bottom lane, we lost that game because Nasus backdoored at the end. It didn't help that Darius was toxic to bot lane the entire game due to drama at champ select. When I finally got them to work together we were making a big comeback cause the other team would get cocky, split up, over extend and fail all objectives.
Our mid nexus had maybe 5% health left and no towers on main nexus but minions pushed out. Nasus was dead already and Fiora started a fight so we all jumped in, although slightly late. We won with a heavy loss. Cait and I remained with the ace and pushed bot lane to the nexus. When Nasus came alive, we didn't notice him teleport (likely to a ward in our jungle). We abandoned bot lane to defend but I couldn't kill him in time to prevent the loss. One more hit... Just one more.
Bronze is so frustrating... But I hear it's not much different in silver either. Ah, well.
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My best game ever was when my team came back from losing all our turrets and inhibs, and our nexus almost gone. We murdered the other team and aced, got Baron next I think, then pushed hard to their nexus and won the game.
My favorite lately is one where we were getting whalloped pretty good. We couldn't win team fights at all. They were pushing down mid and took inner tower, and I think we had killed two of the three in their push, but their Riven stayed back a bit and spammed laugh/taunt/whatever, which I hate BTW. Very arrogant/cocky/bad sportsmanship. A little bit of smack talk is fine if it is all in good fun, but I know 95% of the time it is some prepubescent or adolescent piece of trash that has to do that sort of garbage to feel better about himself due to bullying/parent issues/whatever.
So I rushed at her, Nautilus with mobility boots. She did her little slash/jump/dance thing to move faster, and ducked into the bush along the wall towards the middle of the river, and I hurled my anchor and must have just barely gotten her at the very end of the range of my anchor. Yeah, She died horribly. I think they got frustrated because we then caught them all out one by one by one for the next 5-7 minutes, got back in the game and then just crushed it.
My fabourite was a 5 vs 4 from the start. I was playing Shyvana top vs a shen (which for Shy is auto win/free kill/free farm lane. Barely missed CS/jungle creeps. Became near enough unkillable, solo'd baron while they were ineffectually seiging and just pressed on by then.
Forced a fight where I took 3 of them and the rest of my team cleaned up from the back. By the time they were able to start killing me momentum carried us through and we won.
I love those games where I just wreck house and get more kills solo than the entire enemy team combined. What made this game even better is getting a penta, after being denied for so long and only getting quadras, either due to the 5th being dead/somewhere else/afk. Also, woo 4v5 win.
Came close to dying maybe twice, but that's about it. I'd run in, throw, slow, slow, disenage to let regen kick in, then go back in. Between me and Malphite, they couldn't get away from us in team fights.
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The spirit stones provide more of a damage increase for clearing than BOTRK does, and as such, you clear the jungle faster and get levels quicker than with a BOTRK (Shyv being the exception here because of her stupidly strong AOE clearing + mana less + Q cd being quickened through autos (hence why she is such a good jungler in solo queue)) - this leads to you most likely being weaker than the enemy jungler, and falling behind.
(Hint: the other junglers that it's a strong item on are Udyr (squishy as hell building it first), Vi (same as Udyr, worse because she has no innate defence), Jax (can be built first, but really risky), Nocturne (Like Vi, except squishier than her even, and easily kited if ganking without ult) and Zed (same with Jax here) ) - I did say the exception, as well, was building it if you're already really far ahead, and just building it 'for lulz' to get an even better lead.
@Haven: split push towers all day and mushroom their whole jungle + press W and spam Ctrl+4 when they send 3 people to try and stop you? 'Knowing how to use Teemo' is not rocket science - Max Q first -> auto->q->auto and watch them lose half their HP and not be able to do anything to counter that while in lane. I agree with Draiman, Teemo should die.
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Stop condescending dear.
Sheesh, look at that Feeder Yi. n00bl0rd extordinaire.
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I've had games like that, where I and even sometimes other people on my team just wreck house, yet we still lose Largely because the enemy team starts cc'ing me hard and my team aren't working with me.
I think @Omei meant Fun.
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Our mid nexus had maybe 5% health left and no towers on main nexus but minions pushed out. Nasus was dead already and Fiora started a fight so we all jumped in, although slightly late. We won with a heavy loss. Cait and I remained with the ace and pushed bot lane to the nexus. When Nasus came alive, we didn't notice him teleport (likely to a ward in our jungle). We abandoned bot lane to defend but I couldn't kill him in time to prevent the loss. One more hit... Just one more.
Bronze is so frustrating... But I hear it's not much different in silver either. Ah, well.
So I rushed at her, Nautilus with mobility boots. She did her little slash/jump/dance thing to move faster, and ducked into the bush along the wall towards the middle of the river, and I hurled my anchor and must have just barely gotten her at the very end of the range of my anchor. Yeah, She died horribly. I think they got frustrated because we then caught them all out one by one by one for the next 5-7 minutes, got back in the game and then just crushed it.
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My fabourite was a 5 vs 4 from the start. I was playing Shyvana top vs a shen (which for Shy is auto win/free kill/free farm lane. Barely missed CS/jungle creeps. Became near enough unkillable, solo'd baron while they were ineffectually seiging and just pressed on by then.
Forced a fight where I took 3 of them and the rest of my team cleaned up from the back. By the time they were able to start killing me momentum carried us through and we won.
That kicked me from S5 to S1 but the mmr clamp
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