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look, i'm not trying to get into all this really because it's mostly not my lane. that said...

it makes me laugh super hard that there are people who equate wanting to PK or being conflict-oriented with "being like the Carnifex." the fact of the matter is that we have a sizable plurality of non-coms and people who only occasionally show up for group fights. hell, i barely PK these days. nobody has to fight.

i wanna point out that we're a pretty big guild, and in my opinion, it's because we don't force anyone to participate in parts of the game that aren't of interest to them. the only thing we enforce is our ethos and lore, which includes a certain amount of military-like discipline (although even this is pretty loose outside of particular guild events). i can't take credit for our size and attitude, as it was really Mjoll's doing over the course of her time as Commander, but i'm quite happy to see it continue.

so like, anyways, uh, there are far worse things that could happen to a guild than becoming "like the Carnifex." maybe give it a try?

The Teradrim have had a constant and consistent meta-clique issue for years now and any attempts by players to create an inroads in fixing these issues have been stymied by the same meta-clique that has, up until recently, controlled the org. We've been wondering when something would be done, since it was an issue that we thought had been brought to the administration's awareness, but nothing has ever happened and the org has continued to languish for various reasons.

If the same meta-clique is continuing to hinder the current GM's progress or ability to do anything, it's beyond time for the org to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up, with more consistent RP roots and a far more friendly and IC group of players picked by the administration to carry the org on their shoulders for the first year. And I only say this because there's only so much players who aren't part of the meta-clique can do and there's only so much that can be expected of them - at some point, administration have to demand the org course correct.

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Sounds like some of the Teradrim need to learn their own lore, as the Earthen have literal warbands and the Teradrim are considered kin to them, not to mention Ivoln's and the Earthcaller's recent push of "May we never know peace."

This talk about discouraging PKers is baffling to me. I've never been in ANY org - city, guild, house, or order - that wasn't unicornsing THRILLED to have a PKer show up. Most guilds have some kind of PK teacher role they struggle to fill and orders have the champion position.

we do, its @Nipsy

I would hope that a guild that is explicitly called a 'warband' in the culture handed to them by admin, events, and lore would have more than a token champion. Or at least have an attitude more permissive of combat.

Approving of conflict does not automatically obligate you to participate.

There's a difference between 'conflict approval' and whatever 'turning us into the Carnifex' implies. Worlds of difference. You can roleplay a member of a warrior society without being a genius or active combatant. It is largely about the performative aspects of the guild (knights have peerage, syssin have spy RP, priest guilds often talk about the gods/light/fire/whatever, etc - what is 'performing the role of Teradrim'?), the way they achieve their goals, what goals they actually have, etc. There is a rich depth to the idea of 'warband' that goes far beyond 'ppl that pk'.

...or saying so much as "you cant change our guild to be warlike"...

Sounds like some of the Teradrim need to learn their own lore, as the Earthen have literal warbands and the Teradrim are considered kin to them, not to mention Ivoln's and the Earthcaller's recent push of "May we never know peace."

This is the part that especially stands out to me and I agree entirely. After a brief leaf through some of the progression stuff, I can't help but think that the guild has been designed to be immovable in terms of structure and current regime. It sounds like a portion of the current administration of the guild, at the very least, is alright with encouraging mindsets that sound like a betrayal of the guild's themes and intended culture.

I am one of the recent Aetolia transplants from Achaea. When I joined Aetolia I instantly fell in love with the Teradrim. I love the lore of Azvosh, the Pillars, and the Sorcerer-Kings. We are supposed to be badass earthen warriors safeguarding the Pillars. In many ways the Teradrim are an extension of the Order of Earth. I was hoping the recent addition of the Earthcaller would help reaffirm that role. But this guild has been a constant let down since I joined. We have a leader and leadership that is m.i.a most days(with the exception of Thronekeeper), all guild matters are handled in an ooc discord, all leadership position are filled by people that barely play, this guild and leadership prioritizes ooc friends in leadership and conflict people are actively discouraged from joining.

I wanted to bring some attention to the gross mismanagement and excluding tactics that are happening. From day one when I joined on Gribbit, I was not yet sure I wanted to make Aetolia my permanent home or not, I noticed newcomers in the guild were actively discouraged from participating in guild events with them not being told and only the small ooc friend group that runs the guild being included.

A guild needs all types to function and I truly believe just rp or just commodities is a fine route to take in a guild. But conflict is actively shot down with comparisons being made to that just being more Carnifex mentality. To highlight this fact all other paths of progression are laughably easy with the exception of the combat one that is designed to be an insane time sink with 125 lessers or 25 majors for a guild favor and Sect really not viable as a means of PK progression in the guild.

I have sat and mulled over how to handle these culture problems in my guild. I thought that maybe with consistent rp I could help right the guild. I have no want for a leadership position, this post is coming from a genuine place of frustration with the ooc leadership metagaming in my guild. These problems are mostly ooc in nature and kept purposefully out of ig systems so that this small group that is mostly not active can continue to control the guild. I am hoping that if I shine a light on these OOC issues to a larger audience it will place pressure for positive change within my guild.