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Re: There have been no events and let's talk about that.
Here's my take on events. I'm sure it'll be unpopular. I might try harder if I cared. Whatever.
I could take 'em or leave 'em. The time that they are designated to run, i.e. 1700 Eastern to 2100 Pacific, is literally the one time I can almost never play. As Brax pointed out, there are things to do. Tons of things to do. The time events usually run is the practically untouchable time. So, would I rather admin and volunteers spend time on events, or stuff I'll actually use/benefit from? I'll got 20/80. I'm not strictly selfish. Just mostly.
Couldn't tell you a darn thing about narrative needs. I tell my own story. Or at least try to. I caught the end of the Revenant event because I logged in on my phone. I'm a Sciomancer, so I should have been really into it! It was about as fulfilling as a chalupa from Taco Bell. After the first bite, you realize you're playing with fire and you'll pay for it on the shitter tomorrow.
Give me promos to spend money on. New classes. New skills. Mining. Air ships. Small-ish events to release them? Sure. I'm sure I'll use like 5% of whatever is released. Events? 0.05%. Orders of magnitudes.
Like I said. Wildly unpopular. I totally acknowledge the value of big events. I could insert the "I hope to be part of one someday" meme, but that would take effort. They serve a purpose. I just... can't be bothered to care.
I could take 'em or leave 'em. The time that they are designated to run, i.e. 1700 Eastern to 2100 Pacific, is literally the one time I can almost never play. As Brax pointed out, there are things to do. Tons of things to do. The time events usually run is the practically untouchable time. So, would I rather admin and volunteers spend time on events, or stuff I'll actually use/benefit from? I'll got 20/80. I'm not strictly selfish. Just mostly.
Couldn't tell you a darn thing about narrative needs. I tell my own story. Or at least try to. I caught the end of the Revenant event because I logged in on my phone. I'm a Sciomancer, so I should have been really into it! It was about as fulfilling as a chalupa from Taco Bell. After the first bite, you realize you're playing with fire and you'll pay for it on the shitter tomorrow.
Give me promos to spend money on. New classes. New skills. Mining. Air ships. Small-ish events to release them? Sure. I'm sure I'll use like 5% of whatever is released. Events? 0.05%. Orders of magnitudes.
Like I said. Wildly unpopular. I totally acknowledge the value of big events. I could insert the "I hope to be part of one someday" meme, but that would take effort. They serve a purpose. I just... can't be bothered to care.
Wjoltyr
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Re: There have been no events and let's talk about that.
The company line is that we never had a paid immortal storyteller, we had a paid immortal builder who kinda turned themselves into a paid immortal storyteller; given that this is something that is difficult to have metrics on (how much ROI are we getting for paying someone just for this role), Jeremy & Matt axed the position. Not a good choice in my opinion at all, but that's the tl;dr of what happened to them.
It really stings, though, in light of Achaea right now getting not one, but three paid D&D writers for their game. They're not even the RP Story game LOL
It really stings, though, in light of Achaea right now getting not one, but three paid D&D writers for their game. They're not even the RP Story game LOL
Tetchta
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Re: There have been no events and let's talk about that.
Something to also take note of as I stand here being an usher at a retirement ceremony (yay volunteer events)...
There have been complaints in the past about big lore or game events. I wish I could find the thread where people complained about apocalypse level events being boring and drawn out. Then there are events where it's geared specifically towards certain orgs and everyone else is not allowed to show up (or maybe that's just me because I've been killed on sight for showing up to some event that was not a 'Shadow' event). Sure, the Curse event was met with both intrigue and animosity in equal parts, but was ultimately cut short and there was some things sent up to higher HQ about it. Then you have events like the rebellion stuff which just fueled people's desires to just be uncool and made them feel that they were right at the expenditure of other people, which is also met with both intrigue and animosity.
While I see everyone talking about how there's no events, no one is talking about the fact that even when there IS events people complain it then too. Both points (positive and negative) are valuable to have as a discussion. As someone who has wanted to be, still occasionally wants to be, and has thoughts of being a Celani at some points.... if an event was made (big or small, org specific or global) that people complained about after because they weren't included, or if it just another archetype/cliché event, or just that it was bad because of XYZ reasons... I would be less likely to want to build more events and will just focus on QoL stuff.
Now I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here as to why there haven't been too many seen events, but the players have just as much of a responsibility and effect on the motivation of the Celani team that drives those events. And if people -only- discuss the negative, push other people out of those events, even submit issues to HQ, or are just plain out hostile during said event for whatever reason that you might defend.. then you're part of the reason that events are sidebarred.
Additionally, the more people ask for other things like orgreqs, help files to be edited, demand answers of work priority and whatnot... that pulls time away from building events if the motivation -IS- ultimately there. While those items might be minor in nature, the time spent reading those requests and making those changes, or responding to those questions DOES add up.
Lastly, there is a priority factor too. While we are not necessarily aware of what Aetolia priorities are (because the priorities are ever changing), the resources are as much of a variable as the action items, with the biggest variable being time allocation. If one org has an orgreq in that is going to take 3 days to fix but is ultimately QoL, it's a much lower priority than building the lines for a mirror class, getting Provision skills released, writing X god event, or interacting with Y players. But then when you get players messaging about the status of Orgreq #123456 and why it hasn't been completed yet every day... now it becomes the priority to just get you off their back to get it done, thus taking the 3 days to work on your orgreq instead of getting other things done, but oh... while you're working on Orgreq #123456, you might as well knock out 123457 and 123458 because you don't want messages about those in the near future or get asked why you didn't work on those while you worked on 123456.
I feel like a lot of players misunderstand the priority factor and how small things DO add up to make whatever probable events improbable because of a need of ever changing priorities and very limited time tables. And instead of being understanding of that, demands are made for a difference to be had but then when those demands are met, complaints ensue or they don't meet the expectations of the players are the players are just left disappointed.
Idk.... maybe I've been a project manager for way too long, or maybe I'm seeing things in a skewed light.
There have been complaints in the past about big lore or game events. I wish I could find the thread where people complained about apocalypse level events being boring and drawn out. Then there are events where it's geared specifically towards certain orgs and everyone else is not allowed to show up (or maybe that's just me because I've been killed on sight for showing up to some event that was not a 'Shadow' event). Sure, the Curse event was met with both intrigue and animosity in equal parts, but was ultimately cut short and there was some things sent up to higher HQ about it. Then you have events like the rebellion stuff which just fueled people's desires to just be uncool and made them feel that they were right at the expenditure of other people, which is also met with both intrigue and animosity.
While I see everyone talking about how there's no events, no one is talking about the fact that even when there IS events people complain it then too. Both points (positive and negative) are valuable to have as a discussion. As someone who has wanted to be, still occasionally wants to be, and has thoughts of being a Celani at some points.... if an event was made (big or small, org specific or global) that people complained about after because they weren't included, or if it just another archetype/cliché event, or just that it was bad because of XYZ reasons... I would be less likely to want to build more events and will just focus on QoL stuff.
Now I'm not saying that is necessarily the case here as to why there haven't been too many seen events, but the players have just as much of a responsibility and effect on the motivation of the Celani team that drives those events. And if people -only- discuss the negative, push other people out of those events, even submit issues to HQ, or are just plain out hostile during said event for whatever reason that you might defend.. then you're part of the reason that events are sidebarred.
Additionally, the more people ask for other things like orgreqs, help files to be edited, demand answers of work priority and whatnot... that pulls time away from building events if the motivation -IS- ultimately there. While those items might be minor in nature, the time spent reading those requests and making those changes, or responding to those questions DOES add up.
Lastly, there is a priority factor too. While we are not necessarily aware of what Aetolia priorities are (because the priorities are ever changing), the resources are as much of a variable as the action items, with the biggest variable being time allocation. If one org has an orgreq in that is going to take 3 days to fix but is ultimately QoL, it's a much lower priority than building the lines for a mirror class, getting Provision skills released, writing X god event, or interacting with Y players. But then when you get players messaging about the status of Orgreq #123456 and why it hasn't been completed yet every day... now it becomes the priority to just get you off their back to get it done, thus taking the 3 days to work on your orgreq instead of getting other things done, but oh... while you're working on Orgreq #123456, you might as well knock out 123457 and 123458 because you don't want messages about those in the near future or get asked why you didn't work on those while you worked on 123456.
I feel like a lot of players misunderstand the priority factor and how small things DO add up to make whatever probable events improbable because of a need of ever changing priorities and very limited time tables. And instead of being understanding of that, demands are made for a difference to be had but then when those demands are met, complaints ensue or they don't meet the expectations of the players are the players are just left disappointed.
Idk.... maybe I've been a project manager for way too long, or maybe I'm seeing things in a skewed light.
Rhyot
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Re: Announce post #3177: 2021 Celani Call!
I deleted a bunch. Those of you who feel like you got some good stabs in, good for you. If you do not have a legitimate question regarding volunteering, don't post. If you have a legitimate question and have no intention of volunteering, don't post.
I leave this open in case there are good questions.
We have enough applicants that I am not interested in debating our rules. The tether one is the main contention, and I feel like it's been talked to death.
I leave this open in case there are good questions.
We have enough applicants that I am not interested in debating our rules. The tether one is the main contention, and I feel like it's been talked to death.
Tiur
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Re: Class Viability pt. 2
We had a team pulv setup exactly like what they're doing when all the fex actually played. We all knew how it worked and how fast it is. Spirit cried hard about it. Now they are actually playing and we aren't, and it's our turn to get pulved in groups.Drystin said:It's faster than I ever knew it could be. You should see what their wardens are doing with it right now. There is zero reason we can't be doing the same thing if we had a couple of fex running lessers frequently.Ehtias said:Pulv is fast yeah, it's fast if you have multiple carnifex because of the gate on it.
During the hours I'm around spirit is winning with mostly wardens and our team is using classes that don't compliment each other well with no carnifex in sight. So the issue isn't that spirit has any advantage. They're literally just beating us with one of our own classes.
The lack of participation on shadow where group pk is concerned, combined with the quick willingness to give up is also a contributing factor.
Maybe I'm completely wrong though and everything is butterfly kisses and unicorn farts in the evening? I dunno, just my two cents.
Rijetta
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Re: There have been no events and let's talk about that.
I hope this thread doesn't get deleted, because this is a conversation we should be having as a community.There are more positive ways to address this point. Let's start off on the right foot, please!
Zeheia
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Re: Forum Rules
I've updated the rules a smidge with things I thought were kinda obvious, but sure, I can enumerate a little more.
Tiur
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Forum Rules
Let's consolidate the rules and general rulings here.
1. Keep it PG13. Communications where all parties are agreed to lift that are fine, but default to ingame talky rules. The unicorning unicorn filter will fix swears for those that want it PG.
2. Be civil. This is not a place to insult one another. If you have a problem with someone, that's what the admin are for. Send a message to @Tiur or any other mod/admin. Celani/Gods/Admin ingame are default mods here. Someone is rude? Message. Insulting? Message. Etc. Counter insults are not productive.
2a. This forum is a place of meeting between sides of the game, as well as Admin and players. That means we'll talk about things we don't get along with one another on, even criticize. BE CIVIL. We are also run BY the game, so if your criticism veers off into how you hate another player, or switches from criticism into attack, you're not being civil.
2b. This is not a neutral place; if you have a problem with the game contact support@aetolia.com. Any things that should go through support and are instead shared here intending to insult the game, players, admin, etc... those will just be deleted and you'll be banned.
3. If the thread is started by an Admin, keep the replies on topic and add to the discussion. Diverting the thread from its intended point will either make the Admin mad, or just get the thread closed. Or both.
4. This is OOC. Don't carry things back and forth. That said, willful ignorance on a character level is difficult, so don't expect everyone to ignore that you posted about how you're going to steal all of Enorian's puppies.
5. Don't be a jerk. If no one gets your humor or satire, you were probably just being a jerk.
5a. When a thread is closed and stated as done, or deleted, etc... don't remake it. We have ways to recreate threads if we want to fork the discussion or something.
Punishments will usually be forum bans with units of weeks. I.e. the smallest punishment is a week ban, and everything else will be multiples of weeks, onward unto infinity.
Tiur reserves the right to change these rules on a whim, so check them every now and then. Big things will get a thread just in case. You can post here if you want to debate a rule or ask for other rules. Or add a funny picture.
1. Keep it PG13. Communications where all parties are agreed to lift that are fine, but default to ingame talky rules. The unicorning unicorn filter will fix swears for those that want it PG.
2. Be civil. This is not a place to insult one another. If you have a problem with someone, that's what the admin are for. Send a message to @Tiur or any other mod/admin. Celani/Gods/Admin ingame are default mods here. Someone is rude? Message. Insulting? Message. Etc. Counter insults are not productive.
2a. This forum is a place of meeting between sides of the game, as well as Admin and players. That means we'll talk about things we don't get along with one another on, even criticize. BE CIVIL. We are also run BY the game, so if your criticism veers off into how you hate another player, or switches from criticism into attack, you're not being civil.
2b. This is not a neutral place; if you have a problem with the game contact support@aetolia.com. Any things that should go through support and are instead shared here intending to insult the game, players, admin, etc... those will just be deleted and you'll be banned.
3. If the thread is started by an Admin, keep the replies on topic and add to the discussion. Diverting the thread from its intended point will either make the Admin mad, or just get the thread closed. Or both.
4. This is OOC. Don't carry things back and forth. That said, willful ignorance on a character level is difficult, so don't expect everyone to ignore that you posted about how you're going to steal all of Enorian's puppies.
5. Don't be a jerk. If no one gets your humor or satire, you were probably just being a jerk.
5a. When a thread is closed and stated as done, or deleted, etc... don't remake it. We have ways to recreate threads if we want to fork the discussion or something.
Punishments will usually be forum bans with units of weeks. I.e. the smallest punishment is a week ban, and everything else will be multiples of weeks, onward unto infinity.
Tiur reserves the right to change these rules on a whim, so check them every now and then. Big things will get a thread just in case. You can post here if you want to debate a rule or ask for other rules. Or add a funny picture.
Tiur
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Re: Announce post #3177: 2021 Celani Call!
Okay, let's not get too off topic! If you'd like to come on up and help us liven the game up, please do! @Rasani is right that it would be its own thread.
I just removed a few comments that weren't constructive to discussing applying to be a volunteer.
I just removed a few comments that weren't constructive to discussing applying to be a volunteer.
Tiur
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Re: Class Viability pt. 2
Every class is strong on paper or in a training room vacuum, this is 2021. The kits are designed to work within themselves. The trouble we run into and the source of outliers comes from real use and the state of the meta: in the case of Sciomancer, the class' delivery of clumsiness with such consistency is crippling to any physical class (which a large percentage of classes, and a larger percentage of classes frequently used, are...) in a way noone else can match. The other casters being Ascendril, Shaman, and Archivist... none of these deliver such a reliable hinder that affects so many other classes while still pushing towards their kill. It's an outlier.
On the flip side, Zealot is strong on paper but frequently flops to the same type of opponents Sciomancer will handily defeat because they do not handle physical affliction classes well. Their class cure targets only mentals, zenith is the least frequently firing passive cure in the game, and swagger will really only get you so far. There have been a number of changes to Zealot and Zealot-adjacent interactions since it topped the Duel and while it is a decent class for the right matchups, I don't think you're going to see a lot of them succeeding in the current climate - largely for the same reasons that Sciomancer manages to prevail.
On the flip side, Zealot is strong on paper but frequently flops to the same type of opponents Sciomancer will handily defeat because they do not handle physical affliction classes well. Their class cure targets only mentals, zenith is the least frequently firing passive cure in the game, and swagger will really only get you so far. There have been a number of changes to Zealot and Zealot-adjacent interactions since it topped the Duel and while it is a decent class for the right matchups, I don't think you're going to see a lot of them succeeding in the current climate - largely for the same reasons that Sciomancer manages to prevail.
Church
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