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Except... No one is doing it. Aegii and Shrines are tether-free, what's partisan about discussing them here? It'd make more sense if this thread looked more Mages vs World than Spirit vs Shadow.

If you put a shrine to gain leverage at Orrery. You are the one asking for it to be dusted/removed. Same with aegis, same with rites, same with traps, glyphs or sand it doesn't matter. Their sentimental text-value to you might make sense IC, but in reality that is just an excuse for something you instigate.

For example, if my character was a spirit-Bamathis worshipper and the Chak shrine was a Bama shrine, I'd still want that shrine dusted. Because it's not about RP and it's not about the God that the shrine belongs to, it's just that the party i'm competing against actually benefits more from it.

About repercussions? If you are the sort of guy that enjoys being hunted, because that too can be fun at times. By all means, be hunted. If you are not, make it clear. Issuing is the easiest way to do it. (Which has happened for how many times now?) I got issued not even for PKing someone but for only making a threat of pking someone and they felt uncomfortable while playing the game. That was my cue to not with interact them in a similar way ever again. And I am being more careful with my tells, definitely.

Go defend your aegis, your shrine, your strategically important entrenchment when's it's under attack. Talk to to those players post-combat OOC that if they wish to partake in a grudge RP, revenge arc that might spiral into or begin as jumpscare PK. You think being order enemies/being hunted are punishment? I'm sure there are many characters in this game who wear the statuses and memories with pride. But don't just do it when it's clear that people aren't actually into it and especially when you give them a clear OOC reason to do what they did.

HI MY NAME IS NAOS. I LIKE THIS CHANGE. 

You should not be allowed to set yourself up in an advantageous way for a conflict that has STRICT lines of beginning and ending. You do not have the right to feel affronted when the opposing team in this event tries to nullify the already sleazy advantage you are trying to take. YOU SHOULDN’T GET TO CLAIM CAUSE OVER SOMETHING YOU STARTED. 

Then the easiest solution, as I stated and would support as I stated, would be to just remove any and all aegises from Scidve at the start of rounds or just not allow them to be there. This blanket ruling basically makes it so you can't really have aegises, even non-hostile ones, anywhere and anyone with a group is allowed to sit and destroy it and you have to just take it with zero recourse.

A couple of points I want to address.

* Comparing aegises to traps, rites, etc.
I think there are a couple of big differences that set aegises apart. Traps only hit once. Rites only last a set amount of time. Aegises can, essentially, last forever. The only way to remove them is for some people to spend a extremely long time dampening it, during which they basically can't do anything. A single command by an enemy would be able to stop the attempt completely. They are also just a lot more powerful in general.

I think the fairer comparison for the other things mentioned is actually glyphs. Aegises are intentionally a lot more powerful because they are a necessary defence mechanism for cities. I honestly think we should just remove them from in other parts of the game tbh.

* Conflict
So I've seen this argument many times. "More PK rules means less conflict." No, it doesn't. It means less finding flimsy excuses for PKing people who have no interest in playing your game, yes, but if that's what you're actually concerned about then just say it and we can argue the merits of that. However, there is not and will never be anything stopping you and your other conflict/PK hungry friends from agreeing to just PKing each other within whatever rules you set for yourselves.

I think it's silly that this has to be brought to forums to get talked about. Decision was made, move on to the next thing please.

edit: I'm also slightly concerned with some of the logic that is being put forth in some of these "arguments" that are being made. They also seem silly.

Discussion is being had. If you don't want to participate, don't. No one is forcing you to be here. We're allowed to disagree with the decisions put forward by the administration provided we do it respectfully through mediums like the forums. Some of the people who are posting Disagree now are the same people who were Agree'ing when I was criticizing the admin's decisions regarding Heatsight, Lifevision, and other such changes. Just because the decision in this case benefits your tether and those you happen to be friends with doesn't give you the ability to stifle discussion.

In any event, I will add on to what Saidenn has said. Nisavi has only ever killed anyone once and if she died in the attempt of achieving retribution against that person in terms of a 1v1, she stopped even though I technically could've perpetuated it. I've been more than amicable towards people. I mean, hell, all Kaiara's character had to do was apologize to Nisavi and that was the end of it. She even forgave Aloli way back when when her character was following someone who was target calling with scripts and she had no idea that her scripts had started hitting me. It only took an apology to get Nisavi to back off. I could've gone after people for perceived slights/insults, but I haven't despite someone's insistence on the other tether that "they can go after someone any time for any reason". I also had an opportunity to jump her but didn't because she had a newbie with her. The problem is that people would rather make themselves miserable and not play/hide in their city/rant than potentially view it as a learning opportunity or an avenue to get back at an aggressor. One of the reasons I'm truly upset is because there was no zero attempt at IC resolution by most of those involved. It was a straight jump to OOC and a discussion/coordination of issues on a Web.

I think it's silly that this has to be brought to forums to get talked about. Decision was made, move on to the next thing please.

edit: I'm also slightly concerned with some of the logic that is being put forth in some of these "arguments" that are being made. They also seem silly.

Do not the forums exist to have a reasonable discussion? Isn't that why announce are cross-posted to the forums to begin with?

I'm not saying they aren't, but honestly some of the logic being used, for example comparing traps (a literal one and done mechanic) to aegis, is silly. Making an argument about "revenge pk" going back and forth between two people? Also silly. Sure, it's something that -is- possible to happen as long as those two people agree that it is what they want to do... but it's still silly... and doesn't change the fact that at this current point in time... we aren't really getting anywhere at all except running around in circles pointing fingers and saying "stuff that either doesn't make sense, is illogical, or completely disagreeing with someone else's comment because it doesn't sway things in your favor." IE; you disliking the fact that I think this entire conversation went from something that could have been quite productive to completely silly in a relatively short manner.