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Even if Bamathis people have PK on them since Severn is part of the Order, it leaves a lot of people who support Severn on the outside, since He's the Patron of the city and have several people who would follow if there was an Order, but won't because they don't connect with Bamathis. In short, I understand Lenoriel's frustration.
In regards to the complaint about dusting shrines being as a means to goad conflict from Spines, I think this may be a product of lazy/bad antagonizing if rules and mechanics inhibit the capability of following up or even being made aware of this occurring. While it's absolutely vital to be willing to take on the role of being the antagonizer sometimes, it's not always easy to do in a way that enables quality interactions and consequences.
When going after shrines, I think it's probably important for players to ask themselves what the goal is, if it's an engagement that is going to be fun and sustainable for all parties involved, and if there's quality story being created in the action. It's probably a pitfall to choose to do something like this as a means of being punitive towards other players as opposed to figuring out a way to engage antagonistically with the characters players control.
(Web): Abhorash says, "Nerds."
(Web): Abhorash has left your web.
Alela's Affirmations
EDIT:
Instead of delete LOL we should provide a salty emote for the people who need to spread it.
If you mouth off at someone, you may find yourself PK'd. That goes for all of us. Hell, it just happened to me. If you don't want your HC character to get PK'd, keep your mouth shut.
And definitely don't DM me in Discord to tell me off immediately, especially when we've had no previous contact.
(Web): Abhorash says, "Nerds."
(Web): Abhorash has left your web.
Alela's Affirmations
ICly, if a character has chosen to be alive/a blindspot, they are already weak to those of Undeath/Ivoln. If your corpse gets nabbed and defiled, you made that choice opting in.
By becoming a hardcore character you have resigned yourself to the role of "extra" in the story in my head. If you made a bunch of connections, and built yourself up from that role.
Congratulations, people get to RP a meaningful funeral.
My character will 100 percent behead a HC character with ZERO remorse. Sorry about your luck
Your choice, is yours alone. We are not obligated to feel bad for your characters death.
(Web): Abhorash says, "Nerds."
(Web): Abhorash has left your web.
Alela's Affirmations
I do think it makes sense for some orgs to mourn them more than other characters, for obvious reasons. As an IC act.
but yeah kill 'em, it's a violent world
this doesn't apply to me, btw, always feel guilty for PKing me
A little less hyperbole, please. Did I contact you in a moment of frustration? Sure. Did I lash out? I think you're being a bit dramatic.
My frustration came from the fact that yes, reading all of the HELP files does make it clear that you are taking on the risks of having your character permanently deleted when you die... but not only is Alela's post hyperbolic, it's lacking the context of how my character died to them. You went on a 25 minute tirade against a Thronekeeper, openly disrespecting them, and I made the mistake of calling out how ironic it was that you were saying the Carnifex lacked manners and respect while in the midst of your anti-Whirran ranting. And so you traveled to me in the middle of the city and used your "sanguine shard of authority" to completely obliterate me.
It's not like we were engaged in valid PK and I ever had a chance of surviving you. That's why I was frustrated... and yes, I probably didn't need to send you the Discord DM but it was not an attack, and after about ten minutes I had moved on.
This post feels like nothing more than subtly gloating. It would be different if I had run here and made an entire forum thread bemoaning my death and calling for the rest of the playerbase to cancel you, or if I had publicly called you out in the Discord.
I've seen so many people in the last few days posting on the forums and in the Discord about how important it is that we all recognize that we're players in this game no matter what side of the conflict we're on, so it's strange that some of those same people are here with this completely dismissive attitude towards - *checks his notes* - other players.
Don't play a hardcore character if you don't wanna risk your hardcore character getting nuked
Never DM someone OOC to be an asshole because you got PKed, nobody owes you anything. If you think someone broke a rule or you were seriously sleighted in some way, that's what issues are for (HELP ISSUES if you haven't yet). This was a wildly inappropriate reaction.
How many of you would have even known this happened if it hadn't been for Alela's post?