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Announce post #3278: Shouting & Language
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12/11/2021 at 2:50
Ictinus, the Architect
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Shouting & Language
Hi folks,
I know things are getting heated IC with the current wars unfolding and that there's a lot of shouting back and forth going on right now - that's great, don't stop!
We've been pretty lenient with the mild cursing / crass language so far but consider this a reminder to look at HELP LANGUAGE RULES.
If you can't keep it at least semi mature then we're going to have to start cracking down on it and that's not fun for anyone.
Penned by my hand on Gosday, the 25th of Khepary, in the year 499 MA.
Ictinus, the Architect
Everyone
Shouting & Language
Hi folks,
I know things are getting heated IC with the current wars unfolding and that there's a lot of shouting back and forth going on right now - that's great, don't stop!
We've been pretty lenient with the mild cursing / crass language so far but consider this a reminder to look at HELP LANGUAGE RULES.
If you can't keep it at least semi mature then we're going to have to start cracking down on it and that's not fun for anyone.
Penned by my hand on Gosday, the 25th of Khepary, in the year 499 MA.
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If your plan is to escalate your griefing in hopes that ruining people's play experience is your path to victory, you need to step back and re-evaluate why you play this game. This goes for both sides.
That being said,
The Duiran Council has placed a bounty upon your head for 200000 gold. Reason: Raiding.Holy Pit in the tree of Yggdrasil, that's a lot of bounty gold offered for raiding, when I don't think we even equalized the number of guard deaths we had too. Sniff.
(Web): Abhorash says, "Nerds."
(Web): Abhorash has left your web.
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I think there's been a lot of escalation from spirit tether, some by you specifically, so I think this is an interesting take.
Edit:
Nipsy killed 13 guards.
Spirit raiders killed 86.
If your plan is to escalate your griefing in hopes that ruining people's play experience is your path to victory, you need to step back and re-evaluate why you play this game. This goes for both sides.
I should specify, this isn't to act like Enorian didn't escalate. We did. But it didn't come from nowhere. The bounties we have are totally just.
I'm not narcissistic enough to think I'm popular or well-known by any means, but maybe just enough to know that there were a few of you there that know enough to know I haven't actually been around in a long, long time. That I wasn't curing. And man, I still got killed. And I got a, 'sucks shit' for my troubles.
I played one hell of an asshole in my time, and I'll promise you on anything that I wouldn't do that if the situation was reversed.
edited to make sure my numbers were right.
edit: ex so it's not just some vague 'trust me, there's a log' excerpt. Names redacted, but you know who you are
(Web): Person B says, "Yes it literally is???"
(Web): Person B says, "Just log out."
(Web): Person B says, "And it won't be your problem anymore."
(Web): Person A says, "Yeah so we can grief them and they can log out."
(Web): Person A says, "It's just a game."
(Web): Person B says, "I'm not going to grief people."
I'm sure it's happening on both sides but any time I've noticed it in spirit web we have had people trying to cool things down.
Edit: I forgot to add 'pking without aura' before war started cause I sure got smoked at death caves and that would have been an auto issue from spirit, and bashing troops to avoid 'an act of war', and lying about caravan blockade. I'm sure a few othet things too.
If you want "the other side" to be better, start looking at your own side's behaviour and how they're conducting themselves.
I will 100% own saying spirit doesn't have the stamina (and I don't see what's wrong
forwith making an objective assessment about who has more stamina in a war of attrition, to be clear) for this but I haven't seen any advocating for griefing and we are following, not skirting, the rules.If people aren't following the rules then either name and shame or put in the issues so they're taken care of. I can't personally say that I have caught anyone outright stating intent to grief in Spirit's war web so I can't say for sure that it is definitely not going on and it's impossible to prove a negative. But most of our side's leaders, at least, aren't advocating for doing anything of the sort.
I can't help your (or anyone else's) interpretation of my statements but I can point out that literally every instance of escalation in this conflict has been instigated by Spirit.
If -anyone- is getting more and more griefy, it is Spirit.
Any assertion made by me is that we will respond in kind, and continue doing so until one side gives up, and that that side will not be Shadow.
You are still invited to post logs.
What I DO think is weird is this becoming a "oh spirit side is playing the victim card :C" cuz as far as I can see, we're engaging with the war in a way that people have been saying for ages they want. This isn't me trying to be an asshole, I GENUINELY am curious. I assumed with the shouts and the fights that everyone was enjoying their engagement or, if they weren't, they were taking a step back. If this isn't the case, maybe it's time to RP and find an end to it, idk.
The thing I find weird is that for all the years I've played, some of the folks in this thread have said 'If you don't want to get pushed around, start pushing back" and once we actually push back, we're bad? IDK man. It's weird to me.
I will say this though: I absolutely agree that BOTH sides have piled on people they shouldn't have. It's shitty on both sides and that, 100%, should stop. That said, if it's fine for one side it's fine for the other. Spirit can't go "no that's not okay" if we're not willing to tell our OWN folks "no that's not okay".
What I am not OK with is this vague booking bullshit about grief, from anyone. Shadow is not the tether that started this. Shadow is not the tether attacking 2 orders and avoiding declaring a holy war on either. Shadow is not the one avoiding all conflict until they out number spirit 2 to 1. Shadow isn't the one threatening bashers with a bounty just because they path through an area. Spirit is all of those things, and I'm not saying any of it in an accusatory tone. I'm fine with it. I love this shit. 2000 deaths in 7 days. Amazing, simply amazing. But if we're gonna start accusing people of being bullies, you better provide full fucking receipts, and look in the mirror.
Don't lose this energy either.
It's just going to happen back, and keep happening back, because that's how PK goes. And I've been down this road before when it was the Carnifex bashing villages once a week, down this road when it was Moghedu, down this road when it was Mitrine war, down this road when it was Trikal raiding Duiran in reply to the catapult theft. Maybe this is the one time everyone is being totally 100% real and genuine, but I doubt it.
IDK man it's just so strange to me that people keep saying "I'm here for it" and then complaining about it. I'm the first one to admit, openly, that I'm already bored of this, but that's because I play the game mostly to roleplay (and, to specify because this came up in the Discord: by this I mean emoting a lot in a row. Yes, the war in of itself is rp, but it's mostly pk rp if that makes sense?) I'm still out there though, because this is what's going on and I wanna engage in the game. Any complaining I do is from a personal place of "this isn't what I play the game for" not "oh no shadow is doing what we're doing back at us" and I'm in the minority on Spirit side. From what I'm seeing, everyone is having fun but everyone is also ASSUMING that everyone else is butthurt about stuff. It's such a weird thing.
I'm just not going to let the false equivalence of "both sides bad" start though, because I've seen how that ride goes- Enorian and Duiran are turning up the heat and BL is meeting them when they can. Own it, it's perfectly valid RP.