Age of Dawn

PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
So a lot of talk about the Age of Dawn in the game. Spirit aligned Divine really starting to become active and stuff about Sabelism. Just kinda wonderin if the theme of Achaea and Aetolia were planning on switching? Any thoughts, comments, ideas guys? Doesn't seem like a gigantic leap to me. Obviously it would be a big role play thing involved. But lets face it, Spirit guilds and organizations don't have nearly the numbers and power Shadow ones do. So kinda makes sense to get a more balanced game, throw a little bone to the Spirit guys so to say.
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  • MelanthaMelantha Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
    Hm. I'm actually opposed to this somewhat. The Age of Dawn as I understand it isn't something that can be obtained so easily. It means no more undeath, no more Corruption, no more Artifice. In other words, Good wins, the end. As much as I would like to see this, claiming that 'The Age of Dawn is here!' and still having a Dark side about would cheapen it. Also, for the record, I do wish that they'd just stuck with 'Aiyr Sabael' rather than 'Sabaelism'. It translates literally to 'Faithism', which equates in my mind to 'Happy Happyism'. And also, y'know, worked with Auresae's Order more closely than ended up happening. I didn't hear a word about it until after it got pushed through. Ahem. Anyway, yeah. I vote to keep it as an ideal, treat it like it's going to happen. But some shift in the status quo would be nice, yes.
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  • KylanKylan Member Posts: 31 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure why the admin are pushing towards Sabaelism, really. Especially as it seems to be based on the idea of the Age of Dawn which has been a concept since the founding of the Luminaries and the Daru. The idea of the Age of Dawn is that it is the age in which Corruption is purged, vampirism is no more, etc. Essentially, an end to the Midnight Age. It isn't really a new idea, as it is one that has been going around Luminary/Daru/Auresian circles for almost 15 years now.

    Ultimately, it doesn't really change anything as it's the same concept that has been around. The big difference is it's being pushed Enorian-wide. Even arguing that that is a difference is a stretch, though, as various CL's have made that push (Including myself).

    By its very concept, the Age of Dawn is unachievable because, well.. that's the axis the game's conflict lives on Living/Undeath, Purity/Corruption, Light/Darkness. The various events that take place are different chapters of that battle, so essentially, you have been seeing the advancement?

    The population imbalance has existed for a long time, sometimes it goes one way, sometimes another.
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  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭
    Gonna kinda echo Mel and Kyl here. I'd like to SOME kind of push in that aspect (as in being "Oh hey, we're Light, and we did this THING") to put a bit of contention back, but not eliminating the premise of the game.

    But Kylan is right, it'd be kinda game ending to be like "Light wins, GG."

  • ArekaAreka Drifting in a sea of wenches' bosomsMember Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Melantha - What work would you have wanted with Auresae's Order? Other than the term, it isn't an extension of the one order but an encompassing of all of them. We tried to work with each order evenly - it's what the clan was, each order was to have the OH and a representative there. Offers were made. Sabaelism as a phrase is simply because it is more accessible to more people than expecting everyone to translate multiple words of the aiyr mo fowatzu wutang wo sheallagh whathaveyous.

    As to Age of Dawn - it's a roleplay device and rallying point for the organizations. It isn't feasible to actually happen in the game unless you're going to cut to end credits.


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  • MelanthaMelantha Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
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    @Areka Most of my reasons are somewhat selfish, I admit, and a lot of my discontent is nebulous. Illumine is supposed to be an Order-specific language, and a formal one, at that. For a long time, it's been roleplayed as such. Now, all of a sudden, it's being used to legitimize something that, on the face of it, seems to fly in the face of literally years of established city and guild roleplay. Something that literally came out of nowhere. And for pity's sake, did the very first thing mentioned have to be someone nursing a hangover after a foursome? That the language isn't exclusive to Auresae's Order, sure. That throwing around multiple words of it is impractical, I can understand. But when it's "Behold the ancient scrolls we found, written in holy Illumine!", you expect something, I dunno, classier? There are any number of ways that it could be made more acceptable. Heck, once you get into the actual dogma, I can even agree with a lot of it. I just feel that was a poor way to go about it. And I still maintain that Sabaelism reminds me of this. At least shorten it to 'Sabael'? Nothing at all wrong with that. Without actually having been there for the formative phase, I can't really point out anything else concrete that I'd have liked to see.
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    What @Tenshyo‌ said is more to what I was referring
  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    Something that shifts the balance and the light is on top could be considered the 'Age of Dawn' in my book
  • MelanthaMelantha Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
    @Jensen Divine intervention would -have- to happen in this scenario, at least for Good to win out. After all, "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". So, yeah. That it's an... impractical idea isn't being questioned. But I really like your mechanic idea. Seems like it would be a real pain to code, though.
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No idea how difficult it would be. I know designing whole new room descriptions would be an undertaking.
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    @alderic that's completely wrong. That was the old ideals of Sabelism that are being done away with. What's being kept is the ideals of coming together and worshiping/uniting all the spirit gods.
    @Jensen What specifically would be wrong about it? Vamps have been overpowered for years. The shadow organizations have obviously been overpowered hince their immense popularity. What's wrong with the Spirit orgs now is that fact. No one even wants to try because they know they will just lose.
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    I mean just look at the turnouts at lesser leylines... shadow always has greater numbers, unless they just aren't in the game
  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seems to me like pushing Age of Dawn onto every lifer would only worsen the number disparities. Not every member of Enorian and especially Duiran is into the "light". Some just don't like vampires. Some aim to be morally good. Some just politically dislike Spines or BL. Some just like the architecture. Etc.
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    @Jensen‌
    1) You just like the power where it is and do not want it to change
    2) Vamps still OP... You go up against Ashmer and see who wins
    3) What strengths? It's so weak no one wants to even join. The newbs we get 90% of the time end up going to shadow just cause they are better. End of story. Don't even get me started on the devoted 'spirit orgs' that have like a total of 4 combatants.
    4) Power balance shifts? Pretty sure the power balance has been in shadow since I started playing over 10 rl years ago.
    5) No I don't want an instant win. I do however want a game that's not 'if you want to kick butt and actually be good, go shadow'
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    oh and also, 'seems' unfair? Do you want to join the light? I'm betting no because you wouldn't be as powerful
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was light till age 200 Plato. Held sentinel, luminary, Daru, bahkatu, and Syssin class.
    Helped win the last war we had for Duiran
    I couldn't beat Ashmer even if he sat down for me to kill him
    You're inability to see weaknesses in other classes does not mean they aren't there
    You've put blinders up to the eb and flow of this game. You're taking it way to personally and not looking at the game with unbiased eyes.
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    @Jensen and you are where now? And why?
  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spinesreach and I'm there for the RP
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That lasted through Kiyotans term too, what a fun time to be a Sentinel
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  • AishiaAishia Queen Bee Member Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whoah when did @Ashmer become Americas next top combatant!?
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  • PlatoPlato Member Posts: 62 ✭✭
    Arbre said:

    I'm a lighter now and I agree with them, @Plato. Just because they're in the dark side, it's not because it's the best PK side - it's where RP took them. There's an ebb and flow. There was a point in time everyone tends to refer to as the Sibatti era where Duiran was the place to be and we annihilated everyone else. Now it's Spinesreach's time. As for @Ashmer, someone has to be the top combatant, now it's him. We (the lighters) have a lot of negatives in our playerbase itself that helps defeat our cause altogether, though I do see things beginning to improve a bit.

    Basically, it's the Midnight Age. The darkies are supposed to be winning. That doesn't mean their classes are better (because they're not), they're just the main draw to the game. You want to change that? Change your org, don't ask for admin handouts. @Sibatti and co proved that that was possible once already.

    I didn't 'ask' for a single thing. I'm just stating my opinion. You guys say I take it too personally... well I say you don't take it personally enough. If I put anything other than 100% into something then I might as well not be putting in anything at all. I just thought it would be fun and an attention drawer to Achaea and Aetolia if they swapped roles. Achaea last I heard was the Aetolian opposite. So its not like its that big of a jump that it can be done and nothing would really be broken, RP or otherwise. And when is it Enorian's time? Also last I checked people are more involved in loch than they are in Spines. Enorian I wouldn't be surprised if no one logged onto their Enorian character at all for awhile. Because their are so few members as it is. When was the last time luminaries got a revamp? Because from what I hear shadow has another re-vamp comin to it
  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spinesreach beat out Bloodloch in a large tiered tournament largely because of an incentivized reward structure for pvp participation from management and from a lot of effort in part of its citizens. To my knowledge this has never been the case before
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  • AishiaAishia Queen Bee Member Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a hard time understanding what this is besides "make lifers be winning please." But I kinda think DARKTOLIA is a good theme. I think with the Albedos stuff slowly growing into something that'll be providing new plot eventually anyways.
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