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Announce post #3298: Great Hunt: A Change & New Ironman Mode!
1/10/2022 at 1:37
Ictinus, the Architect
Everyone
Great Hunt: A Change & New Ironman Mode!
Hi folks!
With the Great Hunt coming up on Friday, I'm pleased to announce the introduction of a new tier for the competition: IRONMAN.
Before I get into the details of Ironman Mode, I also have the following change to announce:
- Killing a denizen will award 0 points while in an ascended level 200 form during a Great Hunt, regardless of Ironman setting.
Onwards!
Ironman mode is a new character state that can be toggled on and off at any time (provided not recently aggressive), though its relevance will be most notable in Great Hunts where it has its own tier of scoring, rules, and prizes.
While in this mode:
- All artifacts and relics are disabled.
- Buffs to the following that do not come from sources readily obtainable in-game (e.g promo items) are disabled:
- Stats
- Celerity
- Damage resist
- Damage dealt
- Crits
- Regens
- Balance recovery
- Sip amounts
- Things that are disabled include:
- chocolates
- ylem amulets
- milestone wares stats bonus
- blessings (including things like movement grace)
- compendium
- leystones
- bull's eyes
- phoenix hearts
- Elindes leaves
- Things like class defences and such are not affected.
As an Ironman participant during Great Hunts only:
- All skills are set to transcendent
- Crit chance is normalised to level 100 amounts in calculations
- Health/mana/endurance/willpower are standardised to level 100 amounts
- Enhancements are disabled
- Purchased raceskills are disabled
- Points are scored in their own "Ironman" tier for the competition
Syntax: IRONMAN ON/OFF to toggle this on or off. Changing this setting in either direction during a Great Hunt will reset your score to zero.
While this can be used outside of a Great Hunt, it cannot be used if you have recently been aggressive.
As a final note, the spirit of this game mode is to provide a bit of a different challenge during Great Hunts. Taking advantage of things that circumvent the rules outlined above will result in disqualification. Feel free to practice with it beforehand - if you find anything that bypasses the restrictions and you aren't sure about it - file a bug and/or ask.
Penned by my hand on Kinsday, the 4th of Severin, in the year 500 MA.
Ictinus, the Architect
Everyone
Great Hunt: A Change & New Ironman Mode!
Hi folks!
With the Great Hunt coming up on Friday, I'm pleased to announce the introduction of a new tier for the competition: IRONMAN.
Before I get into the details of Ironman Mode, I also have the following change to announce:
- Killing a denizen will award 0 points while in an ascended level 200 form during a Great Hunt, regardless of Ironman setting.
Onwards!
Ironman mode is a new character state that can be toggled on and off at any time (provided not recently aggressive), though its relevance will be most notable in Great Hunts where it has its own tier of scoring, rules, and prizes.
While in this mode:
- All artifacts and relics are disabled.
- Buffs to the following that do not come from sources readily obtainable in-game (e.g promo items) are disabled:
- Stats
- Celerity
- Damage resist
- Damage dealt
- Crits
- Regens
- Balance recovery
- Sip amounts
- Things that are disabled include:
- chocolates
- ylem amulets
- milestone wares stats bonus
- blessings (including things like movement grace)
- compendium
- leystones
- bull's eyes
- phoenix hearts
- Elindes leaves
- Things like class defences and such are not affected.
As an Ironman participant during Great Hunts only:
- All skills are set to transcendent
- Crit chance is normalised to level 100 amounts in calculations
- Health/mana/endurance/willpower are standardised to level 100 amounts
- Enhancements are disabled
- Purchased raceskills are disabled
- Points are scored in their own "Ironman" tier for the competition
Syntax: IRONMAN ON/OFF to toggle this on or off. Changing this setting in either direction during a Great Hunt will reset your score to zero.
While this can be used outside of a Great Hunt, it cannot be used if you have recently been aggressive.
As a final note, the spirit of this game mode is to provide a bit of a different challenge during Great Hunts. Taking advantage of things that circumvent the rules outlined above will result in disqualification. Feel free to practice with it beforehand - if you find anything that bypasses the restrictions and you aren't sure about it - file a bug and/or ask.
Penned by my hand on Kinsday, the 4th of Severin, in the year 500 MA.
Re: Announce post #3295: Year 500 Bloodbath(s)
I am going to make two observations here. First, you can still do the exact thing as ally follow with emperor tarot or spamming web and path track. Second, it does not really look like an egregious bug usage. It looks more like a bit of bad sportsmanship, a thing I have been seeing from all the Tethers throughout the games.
I felt that Bloodbath 500 was going to devolve into a Deathball game and opted out for that reason. I think everyone should reexamine their behaviors during these games. And also we should keep reasonable expectations of Admin. I personally believe they took the most reasonable approach in handling this problem.
I felt that Bloodbath 500 was going to devolve into a Deathball game and opted out for that reason. I think everyone should reexamine their behaviors during these games. And also we should keep reasonable expectations of Admin. I personally believe they took the most reasonable approach in handling this problem.
Kurak
5
Re: Ruin Everything
Whenever PvP breaks out (sect, major, 1v1 NoT) an invincible Imp Trapper spawns and runs interference.
Haelra
6
Re: Announce post #3295: Year 500 Bloodbath(s)
What happened in the Bloodbath was an unfortunate oversight that has now been fixed. I appreciate that this was something that apparently came up in previous games, but as I said in my original post - I have no knowledge of prior games, and can only act on what's in front of me.
In this case I don't really consider it bug abuse any more than I consider other questionable tactics used in these very Year 500 games (feeding words to people in Walker's Tongue, deliberately allowing people to steal eggs from your nest during egghunts to bypass restrictions on sharing, kiting dozens of hostile mobs into enemies during no-PK survivors, teaming in non-team arena games in general) to be bug abuse.
None of these are sportsmanlike tactics; all of them are against the spirit of the game but they've all happened in the last week. Obviously two wrongs don't make a right but most don't have mechanical solutions and require the participants to play honestly and in the spirit of the game. Considering this widespread unsportsmanlike behaviour on all sides across various game types, the best we can do is close loopholes and address issues as they come up.
Ultimately, I opted not to cancel the game but instead fix the issue and run a second one. This is in line with similar situations that have happened in the past. It is not an endorsement of bug abuse and interpreting it as such is an extremely reductive take.
I'm going to close this thread now before it devolves further into petty arguments. If you want to talk to me more about this, you're welcome to contact me directly.
In this case I don't really consider it bug abuse any more than I consider other questionable tactics used in these very Year 500 games (feeding words to people in Walker's Tongue, deliberately allowing people to steal eggs from your nest during egghunts to bypass restrictions on sharing, kiting dozens of hostile mobs into enemies during no-PK survivors, teaming in non-team arena games in general) to be bug abuse.
None of these are sportsmanlike tactics; all of them are against the spirit of the game but they've all happened in the last week. Obviously two wrongs don't make a right but most don't have mechanical solutions and require the participants to play honestly and in the spirit of the game. Considering this widespread unsportsmanlike behaviour on all sides across various game types, the best we can do is close loopholes and address issues as they come up.
Ultimately, I opted not to cancel the game but instead fix the issue and run a second one. This is in line with similar situations that have happened in the past. It is not an endorsement of bug abuse and interpreting it as such is an extremely reductive take.
I'm going to close this thread now before it devolves further into petty arguments. If you want to talk to me more about this, you're welcome to contact me directly.
Ictinus
12
Re: Teradrim, A not very Earthen experience
I will say, on this note, even though it's not really fully on topic with the thread, but every time I think about possibly approaching Ruq for RP, you're fishing or doing beetles; that's perfectly great and dandy! That said, in this game in particular, most people, if they see you doing those things, they'll basically not interact with you at all, since it's usually something someone does when they're not super invested in doing anything else. Maybe it's just bad timing on my part, though!
I came from a very RP-heavy game so I'm still adjusting to the lack of interaction that happens coming across people wherever but I understand that not everybody prefers to RP in the same way as I do and not everybody is interested in RPing with me, period.
Tetchta
5
Re: Announce post #3295: Year 500 Bloodbath(s)
I appreciate the attempt at trying to make right what a group of players found unacceptable.
I will say that I think the damage is done (for some people) and another Bloodbath is not likely to fix it. The response during the actual event really burnt some people. Nothing here in this post is really dispelling the impression that it was okay to circumvent arena event mechanics. Nobody is really getting punished - they already collected their points and their placement credits. Now, I don't need anyone to be subjected to punishment to feel like this was 'made right'. To me, there is very little to make right: I just dislike having my time wasted and ally_follow exacerbates the possibility of that in a bloodbath. I should have known better than to expect something enjoyable out of that gametype, but I was willing to take it on faith that I was wrong about my impression of that specific arena game. Unfortunately, the experience here just wasn't that - and it has made me once again reluctant to participate in things that aren't The Duel or City Champions.
My suggestion, though, is that I think you guys should consider a revise of your policy on non-interference when stuff is already midway. To be clear in what makes me think so: we mentioned a couple times that they were literally grouped and following one person in an arena event/bloodbath. I scrolled through my log of the event to find timestamps:
The event commenced at 15:04:12.
The first public complaint was at 15:13:26, less than halfway through the event itself. That was less than a third of the event's duration, even.
The entirety of Spirit's participants checked out between those two timestamps, with myself being the last to leave at 15:14:48 - once again, not even halfway through the event, barely a third of the way through.
At all points of complaint, we were not that far in. You could have ended the event, made the change, and started again.I understand your hesitance to close the bloodbath prematurely to make this adjustment - after all, 7 people would have felt wronged by it and they would be complaining in our stead - but you burnt a lot of folks in the way this was handled and, in the end, you made the change after the fact anyways. It's almost as if trying to have your cake but also eat it as well, because you made an express statement with that change while not upholding it when it was at its most evident as a problem.
I will say that I think the damage is done (for some people) and another Bloodbath is not likely to fix it. The response during the actual event really burnt some people. Nothing here in this post is really dispelling the impression that it was okay to circumvent arena event mechanics. Nobody is really getting punished - they already collected their points and their placement credits. Now, I don't need anyone to be subjected to punishment to feel like this was 'made right'. To me, there is very little to make right: I just dislike having my time wasted and ally_follow exacerbates the possibility of that in a bloodbath. I should have known better than to expect something enjoyable out of that gametype, but I was willing to take it on faith that I was wrong about my impression of that specific arena game. Unfortunately, the experience here just wasn't that - and it has made me once again reluctant to participate in things that aren't The Duel or City Champions.
My suggestion, though, is that I think you guys should consider a revise of your policy on non-interference when stuff is already midway. To be clear in what makes me think so: we mentioned a couple times that they were literally grouped and following one person in an arena event/bloodbath. I scrolled through my log of the event to find timestamps:
The event commenced at 15:04:12.
The first public complaint was at 15:13:26, less than halfway through the event itself. That was less than a third of the event's duration, even.
The entirety of Spirit's participants checked out between those two timestamps, with myself being the last to leave at 15:14:48 - once again, not even halfway through the event, barely a third of the way through.
At all points of complaint, we were not that far in. You could have ended the event, made the change, and started again.I understand your hesitance to close the bloodbath prematurely to make this adjustment - after all, 7 people would have felt wronged by it and they would be complaining in our stead - but you burnt a lot of folks in the way this was handled and, in the end, you made the change after the fact anyways. It's almost as if trying to have your cake but also eat it as well, because you made an express statement with that change while not upholding it when it was at its most evident as a problem.
Iesid
10
Re: Teradrim, A not very Earthen experience
It's a responsibility. One you can easily walk away from at any time with no risk to your person or livelihood.
Tetchta
5
Re: Teradrim, A not very Earthen experience
I think it's alright to deviate from mandated cultures for guilds, probably even quite a bit. Still, there's probably a reasonable limit to how far that can go. The Dominion is never going to be able to swing a philosophical switch where they become compatible with Enorian without some sort of intervention in game, I'd like to think.
Org cultures on the level we are discussing are handed down by admin. If their intention for the org isn't the correct one that you should be following, then whose exactly is?
If they aren't down with what the admin intends for their org, they shouldn't be the one steering the ship. That's like working in cargo delivery and complaining that you have to deliver your goods to a town you don't like. You signed up to do the delivery, so do it or let someone else have the job.
I'm generally a pretty big proponent of player agency with regards to how orgs are structured, so I def think "what the admin want the org to be" has to be pretty broad and allow for many interpretations. But yeah, you shouldn't be an org leader (or really IN an org) where your character is completely at odds with what the central concete is. I can't imagine a Carnifex being able to swing an anti-soul-exploitation angle very successfully for example. And someone trying to work against the core themes of the Tera really doesn't have TOO much leeway, considering the central concete more or less would require betraying their duties to protect the pillars if they did such a thing. Would practically undo half their skillsets.
Tetchta
5