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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
And everything gets a little bit worse.
I joined the dominion because while not being in the dominion there was an endless wave of "f- the dominion gah so terrible" and there was much trash talk going on at the time about Callidora. So I joined the dominion to get a front row seat.
Shortly after joining some ancient members were quick to try and fill me in on how x person did the dominion wrong and x person did the dominion wrong and my response was, it's time to move on. stop beating that drum. I found the guild to be mostly silent reaching out to guild members resulted in silence in return, ever silent. So I started working became the leader of one of the paths within the guild, that no one engaged in. which was sad to me that it would go like that but alas can't force people to take part in advancement.
I found some who were hyper fixated on ayukazi, and rhyot as if they were big bads, at first I was looking at them as if they were just creating this idea that they were victims... then Tetchta started slaughtering Dominion loyal mobs because having slaves bad? I think? Slaves get freed then Rijetta starts up having a go at Dominion members because.. it was treason to release the slaves and tetchta was all to happy to jump aboard that train. which made me think okay maybe the Dominion is getting an unfair shake here.
I've seen in loch that anyone who says "hey I think you are mistaken" is met with death threats or outright attacked and killed because it's fun for the person doing it, then on other side of the coin I hear complaints that the members of the dominion are isolating themselves and don't take part in loch on a wider scale. Why bother? When might makes right and if you say yeah that's not right and end up dead? it's unfun and not worth the hassle of trying to get to the bottom of it.
BL is a dumpster fire of OOC hate on both sides that have lead to IG behavior on both sides of the fence. posts like this like to paint it as a one way street but it is not. lets stop pretending it is. because of behavior by both groups I have stopped logging in and I really don't intend to return. BOTH sides lack the ability to police the bad behaviors of their "friends". Also screen shots of people venting in moments of anger or frustration, I'm sure that everyone in a moment of anger has said something not so nice just to vent. because lets be honest when someone does something that costs you hours of progress it pisses you off. "it's just a game" yes that true but when someone for the lol's costs you hours of your life to get back the xp ect... it's unfun for the person on the receiving end. then taking someone venting and being like -see omg meta rah rah- I've vented on disco when someone has me tilted.
I went out asking people in the beginning what their issue with the dominion was and most of the responses I got were honest or so I believe. That people in the dominion are more concerned with their titles, and holding on to what little status they have rather than rock the boat to build the guild into something useful to bloodloch. People expressed that having a guild of people who never bother to engage in things of interest to the city was a problem. I agree it is a problem.
During my time as a sec in the dominion I consistently tried to interact with as many people as I could, only to get silence in return. or outright accused of being a yes person for callidora. she and I often disagreed on a lot of things.
the one truth I've learned about people in my travels, is that they are selfish, vile and no matter the community one group says they are the bads and the other group shout nuh uh they are. and everything gets a little bit worse. Everyone is guilty of something, everyone is a villain in someone's story.
p.s I don't hold a grudge against Rijetta, or Tetchta they have their reasons for their actions while I'm not entirely sure the extent of those reasons I'd like think that they aren't just into abusing others for amusement. they still have my respect.
**I expect people to outright flame me for this post. I expect passive aggressive responses. I also expect people to -call me out- for things I might have said in the past on disco when I was not at my best out of being frustrated that's okay, I'll own it.**
I joined the dominion because while not being in the dominion there was an endless wave of "f- the dominion gah so terrible" and there was much trash talk going on at the time about Callidora. So I joined the dominion to get a front row seat.
Shortly after joining some ancient members were quick to try and fill me in on how x person did the dominion wrong and x person did the dominion wrong and my response was, it's time to move on. stop beating that drum. I found the guild to be mostly silent reaching out to guild members resulted in silence in return, ever silent. So I started working became the leader of one of the paths within the guild, that no one engaged in. which was sad to me that it would go like that but alas can't force people to take part in advancement.
I found some who were hyper fixated on ayukazi, and rhyot as if they were big bads, at first I was looking at them as if they were just creating this idea that they were victims... then Tetchta started slaughtering Dominion loyal mobs because having slaves bad? I think? Slaves get freed then Rijetta starts up having a go at Dominion members because.. it was treason to release the slaves and tetchta was all to happy to jump aboard that train. which made me think okay maybe the Dominion is getting an unfair shake here.
I've seen in loch that anyone who says "hey I think you are mistaken" is met with death threats or outright attacked and killed because it's fun for the person doing it, then on other side of the coin I hear complaints that the members of the dominion are isolating themselves and don't take part in loch on a wider scale. Why bother? When might makes right and if you say yeah that's not right and end up dead? it's unfun and not worth the hassle of trying to get to the bottom of it.
BL is a dumpster fire of OOC hate on both sides that have lead to IG behavior on both sides of the fence. posts like this like to paint it as a one way street but it is not. lets stop pretending it is. because of behavior by both groups I have stopped logging in and I really don't intend to return. BOTH sides lack the ability to police the bad behaviors of their "friends". Also screen shots of people venting in moments of anger or frustration, I'm sure that everyone in a moment of anger has said something not so nice just to vent. because lets be honest when someone does something that costs you hours of progress it pisses you off. "it's just a game" yes that true but when someone for the lol's costs you hours of your life to get back the xp ect... it's unfun for the person on the receiving end. then taking someone venting and being like -see omg meta rah rah- I've vented on disco when someone has me tilted.
I went out asking people in the beginning what their issue with the dominion was and most of the responses I got were honest or so I believe. That people in the dominion are more concerned with their titles, and holding on to what little status they have rather than rock the boat to build the guild into something useful to bloodloch. People expressed that having a guild of people who never bother to engage in things of interest to the city was a problem. I agree it is a problem.
During my time as a sec in the dominion I consistently tried to interact with as many people as I could, only to get silence in return. or outright accused of being a yes person for callidora. she and I often disagreed on a lot of things.
the one truth I've learned about people in my travels, is that they are selfish, vile and no matter the community one group says they are the bads and the other group shout nuh uh they are. and everything gets a little bit worse. Everyone is guilty of something, everyone is a villain in someone's story.
p.s I don't hold a grudge against Rijetta, or Tetchta they have their reasons for their actions while I'm not entirely sure the extent of those reasons I'd like think that they aren't just into abusing others for amusement. they still have my respect.
**I expect people to outright flame me for this post. I expect passive aggressive responses. I also expect people to -call me out- for things I might have said in the past on disco when I was not at my best out of being frustrated that's okay, I'll own it.**
Tirria
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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
Comparing what appears to be valid roleplay to accusations of metagaming and running organizations through discord servers just feels like comparing apples and cinderblocks to me. I don't think this is a productive way to frame this conversation, especially since there's glossing over tangible examples given in this thread. This feels like a derail to me because the only other thing I feel like I can say is just a repeat of stuff I already wrote to get us back on track.
Nhahlar
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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
[snip]I don't particularly want to take the bait and feed into what is honestly an attempt at a derail, but trying to "both sides" an actual problem while ignoring all the evidence on the table is a very poor look.
Iazamat
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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
I am going to do another post instead of editing my previous. And it is about the altpire issue.
I know some people might look at this 'alt voting' thing and wonder why vote weight doesn't stop it. But seeing the sheer number of people coming out of the woodwork means that it doesn't matter if they all have 1 vote weight, there are enough of them to overcome it.
I know some people might look at this 'alt voting' thing and wonder why vote weight doesn't stop it. But seeing the sheer number of people coming out of the woodwork means that it doesn't matter if they all have 1 vote weight, there are enough of them to overcome it.
Kurak
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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
I became quite angry at reading this yet again another bad-mouthing of the Dominion, and perhaps said some things on web that I shouldn't have. For that I am sorry and apologize.I would actually love to hear about the problems from your perceptive. Because the two big events; hunting contest and the battlefield were directly from external pressure placed on the guild from ig.
But I became angry because recently people in the Dominion have been putting in a lot of effort, as was evidenced by the large amount of non-combatants who participated in the recent guild battlefield and the efforts in the hunting contest for Abhorash. as well as numerous events within the guild to help create a sense of community and give people opportunity to show off their skills.
I won't say there aren't problem elements within the guild but the extent of tarnishing everyone in the guild who are participating, contributing, and roleplaying competently with this negativity only contributes to create an 'us vs them' mentality.
But really I do not think anyone is talking about ig action being the problem. It is about Dominion discord, ooc management, and ig actions being taken as attacks ooc. It is hard to deny that 4000000000 altpires came to Callidora's rescue when challenged. We all saw the CWHO explode with our own eyes.
Kurak
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Re: The Dominion, a not very sanguine experience
I don't want to get into an argument about how widely cast a net might be or not, but the problems are broad and deep. Even so, I did my best not to catch up every Dominion person in my posts.
It's neat that people that play characters in the Dominion are showing up to group combat more. That doesn't address the many, many, many other concerns I talked about here, like the metagaming, leadership issues, and the general ingroup/outgroup mentality that is extremely pervasive. And I think these things need talked about. I don't really feel like I need to relist everything I already posted, honestly; it's all there to read. I don't think the slight uptick in showing up to group PVP is really a good enough response to what the underlying issues are.
It's neat that people that play characters in the Dominion are showing up to group combat more. That doesn't address the many, many, many other concerns I talked about here, like the metagaming, leadership issues, and the general ingroup/outgroup mentality that is extremely pervasive. And I think these things need talked about. I don't really feel like I need to relist everything I already posted, honestly; it's all there to read. I don't think the slight uptick in showing up to group PVP is really a good enough response to what the underlying issues are.
Nhahlar
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Re: Let's talk about Aetolian PK Systems...
Anyone can PK, I promise. Before Aetolia I played Achaea. I PKed and Duelled quite well. I taught my self basic coding from zero working knowledge of it. I read and asked questions from other good PKers. I taught myself affliction theory and limb combat. These are all things that a system will not do for you and things you need to know to be competitive. PK takes work.
Rime shortcuts some of the harder parts of coding for PK, like curesets and affliction tracking. But to make and maintain offenses you still have to understand those principles. You still need to understand the theory behind it all to maintain cure sets and offenses in an ever-changing PK meta. And if you have this knowledge odds are you can kill people without Rime.
Also, there are plenty of people on Shadow that will take the time to help you learn. I trouble shoot people's Shadow side Sunder all the time and I do not even use Sunder.
Rime shortcuts some of the harder parts of coding for PK, like curesets and affliction tracking. But to make and maintain offenses you still have to understand those principles. You still need to understand the theory behind it all to maintain cure sets and offenses in an ever-changing PK meta. And if you have this knowledge odds are you can kill people without Rime.
Also, there are plenty of people on Shadow that will take the time to help you learn. I trouble shoot people's Shadow side Sunder all the time and I do not even use Sunder.
Kurak
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Re: Let's talk about Aetolian PK Systems...
This thread was brought about because the same screenshot Nhahlar posted made its way into my view, along with a few others from those same Dominion players blaming their inability to PK on /me/.
This was patently insane, given that I know, for a fact, that a number of us have sat down in the past and attempted to explain what they should be doing in group combat in explicit detail and have been summarily ignored or, worse, been told that they had no interest in doing that and would do as they please at group combat.
Iazamat
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Re: Let's talk about Aetolian PK Systems...
I can't PK anybody on Rime, it's def not an instant win button that's going to supplant needing to know how to actually fight in game.
Tetchta
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Let's talk about Aetolian PK Systems...
And how Iesid, Mazzion, Stine, myself, and whoever else manages one is not obligated by anyone to do anything for you, least of all give you their hard work for free.
I am especially not a candidate to be dragged through the mud because /you/ have never even approached me about gaining access to my system. Rime has been 'selective' in the sense that I have said it was selective and that there is no public link to my discord server where the download is. Users have been asked to not share it, but it's for legitimate reasons such as but not limited to: I have a full time real life job. I have a social life (debatable, probably). I have other interests outside of Aetolia. I will not always be around to trouble shoot and play tech support, and I can be a very impatient person. I don't want headaches that I didn't ask for by posting a fully public and open system.
All of that being said however, I have turned down all of 2, maybe 3 people, from getting Rime have they asked me. Other dev's might have turned you down, and that's their right, because they also have their own lives and own enjoyment of the game to consider.
I am not gatekeeping anything except my own enjoyment of Aetolia. Troubleshooting errors and fixing bugs and general maintenance of Rime is hard enough and I don't get paid for it, that's why it's not public public. And the point still stands that most of the people talking trash on me and the other people who maintain Rime have never even once talked to me about obtaining a copy.
This thread was brought about because the same screenshot Nhahlar posted made its way into my view, along with a few others from those same Dominion players blaming their inability to PK on /me/. I am completely blown away by this comment, as I spend more of my time than is probably healthy talking PK to anyone who will talk PK. In web, in raiders, in any discord server or dm. The more people who PK the more people I get to fight against or with and the more fun that is for me. I couldn't fathom sabotaging my own enjoyment so I could say I was better at PK than other people.
If you want a copy of Rime, try asking me. Unless you're the player of a Dominion character. Not that you'd ever ask me to begin with, but except for those who already have a copy, the rest of you are officially blacklisted.
I am especially not a candidate to be dragged through the mud because /you/ have never even approached me about gaining access to my system. Rime has been 'selective' in the sense that I have said it was selective and that there is no public link to my discord server where the download is. Users have been asked to not share it, but it's for legitimate reasons such as but not limited to: I have a full time real life job. I have a social life (debatable, probably). I have other interests outside of Aetolia. I will not always be around to trouble shoot and play tech support, and I can be a very impatient person. I don't want headaches that I didn't ask for by posting a fully public and open system.
All of that being said however, I have turned down all of 2, maybe 3 people, from getting Rime have they asked me. Other dev's might have turned you down, and that's their right, because they also have their own lives and own enjoyment of the game to consider.
I am not gatekeeping anything except my own enjoyment of Aetolia. Troubleshooting errors and fixing bugs and general maintenance of Rime is hard enough and I don't get paid for it, that's why it's not public public. And the point still stands that most of the people talking trash on me and the other people who maintain Rime have never even once talked to me about obtaining a copy.
This thread was brought about because the same screenshot Nhahlar posted made its way into my view, along with a few others from those same Dominion players blaming their inability to PK on /me/. I am completely blown away by this comment, as I spend more of my time than is probably healthy talking PK to anyone who will talk PK. In web, in raiders, in any discord server or dm. The more people who PK the more people I get to fight against or with and the more fun that is for me. I couldn't fathom sabotaging my own enjoyment so I could say I was better at PK than other people.
If you want a copy of Rime, try asking me. Unless you're the player of a Dominion character. Not that you'd ever ask me to begin with, but except for those who already have a copy, the rest of you are officially blacklisted.
Bulrok
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