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Re: Let's talk about PVE
Just went by what you said in web, so apologies and good to know. If what you say now is the deal then I was on par with you when I had the field pretty much to myself. As soon as others started bashing I tended to drop to around 6-7 mill.
Teani
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
God moding physical interaction in emotes.
Forging.
Lack of a forging hammer.
Bashing.
Forging.
Lack of a forging hammer.
Bashing.
Bulrok
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
Want to chime in on @Legyn's idea and add that after reading more on what's been said it's not the ministries I like and instead the fact that roles exist for non-council citizens to hold and have some functionality and purpose to the city. I admit a setup that allowed each city to build their own government system in a manner similar to guilds would be nice. Especially as it would allow for the structure to change and be adapted to fit the times of an era.
Xenia
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
I like that ministries give people opportunities to get involved with cities. There's definitely an argument to be made that the opportunities aren't good enough or that they're not spread evenly across the ministries or that some ministries are a pain in the ass packed with busywork, but I think the basic concept of ministries work and I don't like consolidating all the powers in the ruling council.
What I would like is a system similar to what guilds get where powers and privileges could be assigned to positions. That way, cities could build the ministries they want. Maybe Spinesreach could merge Ambassador and Trade, while Bloodloch might want to merge Ambassador and War. That could really help to focus each city's role in the game depending on their priorities.
What I would like is a system similar to what guilds get where powers and privileges could be assigned to positions. That way, cities could build the ministries they want. Maybe Spinesreach could merge Ambassador and Trade, while Bloodloch might want to merge Ambassador and War. That could really help to focus each city's role in the game depending on their priorities.
Legyn
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Re: Let's talk about PVE
I would be interested to see some clear times clocked for classes with high optimizations, meaning more than just all the arties. While some classes are faster at bashing, I truly believe the gap is much smaller than people seem to think. And while I used to agree double hit classes were advantaged, in a post-caramel world that advantage has largely evaporated.
But I am willing believe Indo bashing is probably on the very slow end of the scale, but they also have a near perfect escape, active healing, and a godly audit. Seems a world with some asymmetry in bashing is healthy and ideal, I would hate to have something like Lusternia, were you buy a gnomish weapon and then you are the exact same as everyone bashing wise.
But I am willing believe Indo bashing is probably on the very slow end of the scale, but they also have a near perfect escape, active healing, and a godly audit. Seems a world with some asymmetry in bashing is healthy and ideal, I would hate to have something like Lusternia, were you buy a gnomish weapon and then you are the exact same as everyone bashing wise.
Kurak
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
I hate Ministries because most of them could be done by ruling council. The current setup puts an unreasonable amount of work on detail-oriented ministries like trade, treasury, steward, research and chancellor while you have other ministries like War (entirely RP and usually does nothing) or culture (also can get away with doing mostly nothing forever). Cardinal is prolly okay for flavor stuff and boons; I think it's fine as-is. I think the current setup is SUPER antiquated and could use some rehashing, namely making stuff more streamlined and mechanically built-in so we don't need to put so much OOC direction on players when settling into these roles. Like why should someone need to spend an hour or two of their time once a week to tally city points? This is just stupidly tedious and contributes to burn out.
The paltry reward of 1 milestone isn't enough of a buy-in for people to want to add this extra responsibility to their plate. So, honestly, I'm just in favor of nuking all ministries. I know checking HELP [whatever city] gives it the illusion of being more active, but I mean if you look at BL, Eno, Dui and hell, maybe even Spinesreach, you have at LEAST 1 or more elected council members also holding a ministry position because you simply cannot find someone willing to step in and do the job. I'm well aware that it's better sometimes to have a warm body than nobody, but when you can't even get a single person to buy into a city structure, then perhaps the system needs to change. Because what worked 10-15 years ago clearly isn't working in modern day Aetolia
The paltry reward of 1 milestone isn't enough of a buy-in for people to want to add this extra responsibility to their plate. So, honestly, I'm just in favor of nuking all ministries. I know checking HELP [whatever city] gives it the illusion of being more active, but I mean if you look at BL, Eno, Dui and hell, maybe even Spinesreach, you have at LEAST 1 or more elected council members also holding a ministry position because you simply cannot find someone willing to step in and do the job. I'm well aware that it's better sometimes to have a warm body than nobody, but when you can't even get a single person to buy into a city structure, then perhaps the system needs to change. Because what worked 10-15 years ago clearly isn't working in modern day Aetolia
Sryaen
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
Honestly this….
I recently took on some aides to show them how the Research ministry operates then realized the majority of training is OOC showing how to pull the various logs account for the periods and then calculations.
Research rewards are primarily processed by periods and require that people who have logged have spelled names right, documented lessers majors or twins. The ylemlog summary just pulls for period.
Honestly it was kinda frustrating cause I literally have to be like, let’s go OOC and I’ll explain why this is tedious. (I do it all manually in notepad)
Yep. Been dealing with it for the better part of 2 years now in Enorian. When I decided to step back from everything recently, including Research, we got Finid to do it for awhile. Then after she decided to leave for Duiran, I didn't want to make poor ole @Sryaen do it, so I reluctantly am doing it again. I do mine in Notepad++, takes an hour or more usually. Depends on how much logs there are. Still wish after all this there was better tools to do this baked into the game.
On topic of the thread though, and speaking of Sryaen, I think he and I were having a conversation recently about ministries too. Feels like a lot of them are either super tedious(Research) or like have nothing at all to do most of the time. Not a lot of middle ground. I think Iron Realms as a whole has done a lot of good stuff over the years with the way city orgs are set up across all the games, but I do also agree and feel that like, Ministries could really use an overhaul. I could go on for hours about why Research inparticular in its current state is rather lackluster(but I won't, but pls support idea 5177), and I feel like poor ole Culture is just a nightmare to get people to care about.
Anyways, in my mind, it feels like if we consider just nuking all Ministries, and giving those powers to the city councils exclusively, it would open an entire giant can of worms that I am also not sure would be great either. So yeah. Hard topic here!
Aeryx
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
Honestly this….
I recently took on some aides to show them how the Research ministry operates then realized the majority of training is OOC showing how to pull the various logs account for the periods and then calculations.
Research rewards are primarily processed by periods and require that people who have logged have spelled names right, documented lessers majors or twins. The ylemlog summary just pulls for period.
Honestly it was kinda frustrating cause I literally have to be like, let’s go OOC and I’ll explain why this is tedious. (I do it all manually in notepad)
I recently took on some aides to show them how the Research ministry operates then realized the majority of training is OOC showing how to pull the various logs account for the periods and then calculations.
Research rewards are primarily processed by periods and require that people who have logged have spelled names right, documented lessers majors or twins. The ylemlog summary just pulls for period.
Honestly it was kinda frustrating cause I literally have to be like, let’s go OOC and I’ll explain why this is tedious. (I do it all manually in notepad)
Nipsy
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Re: Why (Most) Ministries are Bad for the Game - and what we can do to fix it
Bumping again, cause relevant.
