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Problem with this idea is that no city will outright use all their comms because of "what if" scenarios.
- What if we're the only city who finishes off their comms but no one else does?
- What if the admins don't really have a replacement comm system ready?
- What if people get angry and leave my city because we're out of comms?
Just to name a few off the top of my head. Do I think the cities will use all their comms to see if there truly is a new comm system ready? Absolutely not. In reality, the only way to fix the current comm system is to do what happened during the new curing system. Just have some global event that fucks the shit out of the commodities and then release the new system.
Just my 2 cents.
Re: pill usage and cost. Arena testing would be a good idea. Another idea if you're a hunter... set your pull curing to minimal and run off of tree/focus curing, along with 10% hp anabiotic curing/35% mana anabiotic curing. I've had to alter how I cure and what i use because of how expensive pills are. Just food for thought.
Also making a stash by effort is more then possible at the absence of a large scale conflict. It could be even incentivized with contracts among players. You could keep your ash or ice for the critical pills that you use frequently and for emergencies while acquiring other types by normal means.
Back in cities, I would generally offer them for no cost to novices without even breaking a sweat. While I have not been harvesting for a very long time, I still do not feel the necessity of spending ash and ice, but that is partly due to limiting the unnecessary usage. Mass consumption is another beast of course, but then tradeskills are supposed to be valuable when their practitioners do not supply the demand, yes? Otherwise everything would be back to dirt cheap and there would be no tangible profit from gathering herbs.
Also, I would be possibly dismayed if suddenly my whole reserves becomes worthless due to some global event...kinda like having your stash of gold turning into lead overnight.
I have that math because making each pill without ash = 5 pills. 1 Ash multiplies that number by 40. End result is 200 pills.
I think one of the good steps would be to be able to make higher amounts of pills without ash/ice per tick. It makes it feel rather daunting to create pills without ash and ice, timewise. 5 is a very low number for a tick in my opinion.
@Kalak You do have to understand that not everyone can augment their hunting the way I have mine. Not everyone has artifacts rolling out their ass or is omnitrans. What might be a 1200 hit for me, might be a 3000 hit for someone else with a bad audit. I put up my hunting changes as a means of research and understanding. Maybe some people can augment their hunting but haven't tried it yet. Idk. It's all a rough process.
@Satomi I'm not sure how low Spinesreach comms are, but I'm sure if you spoke IC with Zenobia, she might be willing to help out. Bloodloch is their ally after all. Additionally, I think it would be more interesting if everyone was able to harvest, even if you weren't able to actually make pills. That would be the most ideal solution. That way, if say Trikal or Rhyot wanted pills, they could provide the plants themselves and then give ice/ash to the Herbalist or gold equivalent if they so chose.
Lastly, the current pill amount is fine. The problem relies heavily on the fact that all of the work lies solely with one person. This puts huge emphasis on the Herbalist doing nothing but harvesting for days because they are always needing to make pills. Like I said previously, if everyone could harvest plants, then this would be less of an issue as the buyers could provide their own time and plants for their own curatives.
prepare 1 acuity
One by one, you lay each ingredient into the mortar and grind them into a fine, aromatic paste. At length, you lay the pestle aside, drip a measure of honey into the bowl, and roll out a pill of acuity, leaving it to harden.
prepare 1 acuity with ashes
One by one, you lay each ingredient into the mortar and grind them into a fine, aromatic paste. At length, you lay the pestle aside, drip a measure of honey into the bowl, and roll out a stack of 40 acuities, leaving it to harden.
I wanted to say that instead of doing things in batches of 5, if we could do them in batches of 50-100 perhaps, ashless doing would be more bearable.
@Rhyot If everyone harvests, then it would not make sense if they do not have Herbalism, because you know the laymen cannot understand which proper herbs to pick. And possibly picking flowers and roots should be beneath a Chaos Lord! They'd better stick to more dignified arts
@Satomi Currently there is an unused capacity...basically with a 300 cr artifact and Harvest-related racial I can either make 1050 pills a day or 700 anabiotic without ash/ice. Perhaps for critical herbs or orders I could crack my stash and satisfy needs if it comes to that. Certain types of pills will be used with far less frequency like Thanatonin, Panacea, Somnium, Steroids. Defense pills also compared to Curative pills has lesser frequency of usage overally unless you are mainly fighting against a defense stripper. So one can draw a pattern here to establish a very healthy stash for themselves.
Regardless this is a marvellous side effect of everyone having one mercantile skillset which makes people seek each other to deal with their needs. If we make everyone fill their cache easily then we would devalue the skillset itself. Then suddenly you will need less herbalists due to gargantuan stocks everywhere. I would rather prefer to have people actively trying on solutions ICly and cooperating with each other instead of making everything abundant with Admin help. Shortages are good for business and gameplay.
Also Guilds/Cities exist to take care of novices...I am sure they can give wages for them to not feel like they are provided a donation or pocket change. Or they can be paid by guild/city to do a task which will not involve going out to places making them use their meager wealth on pills. So with that earned coin, they can take care of their needs for future.
@Rhyot Yeah, there are a few contingency plans in place. I just like to know what's up so I can pick the right ones.
@Kalak, actually you are both right, I think-- my understanding is 1 ash will increase up to an output of 200 pills. So you can use it for increasing the output of 1 pill, but the ashes will also increase the output of components used to make up to 10 pills.
I am an apothecary so for me I can use a goldbar to make 1 refill = 10 sips or 10 sips = 200 sips before the goldbar stops affecting the output.
Edit: Disregard everything, I didn't read properly and responded incorrectly. Carry on!
Edit Kalak was right 1 ash makes 40 pills.
I don't really believe this game has the capacity to do well in economics. Not with how the priorities have to be. The games profit model means that any user can outbid your time and energy with an outside source. That outside source dictates the value of the items in game.
Next with balance and fairness being in the priority chain it makes it difficult to have a system of gains and losses when rewards get removed and risks get mitigated. This is further exacerbated by conflict being treated as a zero sum game (where you can only win what the other person loses, such as territory or gold from war).
Shifting from priorities, playerbase size makes an economy extremely difficult as your community (to which assigns the value of things by purchasing them) is very small. Imagine if you controlled 1-5% of the worlds GDP, or had the capacity to seize every readily available lump of coal in the span of an afternoon? How do you balance for that?
And for my last point, Aetolia has an actual real world economical problem, competing in a market where some are in it for non-monetary value. In my state we have a lot of retired folk who work in crafts and trades for fun. If I make furniture to put food on my table how do I compete with someone doing it for fun? They can price whatever they choose because they're only in it for the experience, where I have budgets and goals to reach. How do you run a business against someone doing it for RP and flair? You can't, you aren't on the same metrics.
I'll tell you right now that Mykellah's hammer was something she wouldn't've gotten without the help she received to purchase it, A, because it's expensive as all get out, and B, it will never, ever return on the investment.
Aetolia's economy is, essentially, mostly inherited from Achaea, with alterations as it grew and adapted, but well, more mutations are required before it reaches a state that it is workable. Most importantly, as @Jensen pointed out, more or less, it needs to be designed in such a way as to account for the fact that our community is considerably small and monopolies are a given without admin-controlled sources. Villages are not nearly enough.
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