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  • EydisEydis Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2017
    -Which Aetolian characters would've stayed for the battle at Hogwarts? What side would they fight for if they stayed? What about Aetolian players, would the majority make the same choice their characters made? I should ask, make a list, and then turn it into a graph so I can have a visible represenation of ic/ooc separation. 

    NSFW but...

    -If a superhero has unlimited endurance but not super speed, does that also mean it takes them longer to uh...get a release? Would super strength turn into a Bella/Edward bruisefest? (Ugh, I made a twilight reference.) If Flash has super speed AND endless endurance, isn't he basically a human vibrator? 

    -If I were to fall for any superhero, I would chose between Wolverine and Oliver Queen from Arrow.

    EDIT: Given my second point, maybe Flash should make the list but he's so...blah. Other than Captain America and Superman, he's the most boring character ever. 


    (Spinesreach): Xiuhcoatl says, "Oh man, grab the children-corn. This is gonna be good."
  • LeanaLeana Member Posts: 218 ✭✭✭
    Eydis said:

    -Which Aetolian characters would've stayed for the battle at Hogwarts? What side would they fight for if they stayed? What about Aetolian players, would the majority make the same choice their characters made? I should ask, make a list, and then turn it into a graph so I can have a visible represenation of ic/ooc separation. 

    NSFW but...

    -If a superhero has unlimited endurance but not super speed, does that also mean it takes them longer to uh...get a release? Would super strength turn into a Bella/Edward bruisefest? (Ugh, I made a twilight reference.) If Flash has super speed AND endless endurance, isn't he basically a human vibrator? 

    -If I were to fall for any superhero, I would chose between Wolverine and Oliver Queen from Arrow.

    EDIT: Given my second point, maybe Flash should make the list but he's so...blah. Other than Captain America and Superman, he's the most boring character ever. 

    Flash is the best. He's the Spiderman of DC! Always cracking jokes and being super kind to his villains. Don't judge him based on the tv show. Same with Captain America and Superman. Much better versions of them in the comics.

    Wolverine is the choice, but not the Hugh Jackman version. Got to pick the small harry man version. XD

    Also, I don't think endurance and release are connected. There's a play called 'Sex Lives of Super Heroes' that's this and a romance between nerds.


  • MarienaMariena By a lake. Member, Guildmaster Posts: 614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I needed a place to meander my thoughts and mad didn't seem right. I also forgot my password to tumblr and didn't feel like going through the resetting the password process. I am that lazy. So this is a Post Shower-Thoughts Life update of sorts (Really this is a long unicorns rant about migraines and not about anxiety/depression that's a whole nother special snowflake post of is own), I needed to unload somewhere. I needed to throw all of this out of my head and use my words.

    I'll set it up into tl;dr spoilers so you don't have to read what you don't want to read. You don't have to read anything at all. This is for me. I'm taking a deep breath and making a holler into the internet void for a second.

    The Beginning - Depressing unicorns
    I've had migraines since I have been in Middle School. I painted our middle school halls in puke, actually. It wasn't pleasant. I had a brief, glorious reprieve in early twenties.

    They came thundering back two years ago. My doctor chose to prescribe imitrex and it worked for a while but then I was getting more. I was given to a neurologist. I was MRI'd. Nothing was found, prescriptions were changed and mgs upped. Imitrex stayed.

    Fast forward. 2018. 18-20 migraines a month easy. My life is determining which cocktail of pain meds will get me from bed to work and back. That sentence is such a mild way to describe the amount of pain I was in on any given day you talked/talk to me. I don't even know how to describe to a person with any accuracy honestly. My body is a deceitful unicorns and my brainbox, in which I live, wishes mightily to evict its only occupant (me). I switch to a new doctor.


    Changes are Afoot, Medically!
    New Doctor listens to all symptoms, takes a good long look at all of the long list of prescriptions conglomerated all over several years, tsks. He doesn't seem to appreciate any of these things that I'm on. He wishes to Change Them All. Slowly, so my body is not like wtf the holy unicorns. The first thing he does is put me on Topamax. Holy unicorns balls, Batman, the ride this has been. Topamax is wild. I keep telling people my brain feels like marbles but that is literally what it feels like. It feels like if my brain is marbles, Topamax is slime trying to cover it. This leads to a DISCOVERY, though.


    THE DISCOVERY
    So, I am Addicted (in the literal, official sense of the word) to triptans, which is the class of drug that imitrex is in. It is sumatriptan. I have taken so much of it that my body literally feels like unicorns death without it every once and a while. I was without it for about 4 days. By day 4, I am dizzy af, my heart is racing, I can't think, I am flushed, it is terrible.

    The above paragraph makes me officially tear up. I have never been Addicted (official A) to anything in my life. (Aetolia excluded). I need to wean off, but I don't know how to wean off, because weaning off means triggering migraines, which I am fighting to avoid and what I was explaining above WASN'T a migraine, it was just a 'unicorns sucks man, haven't had an imitrex in a while' feeling. I've had that before, too. This is just the first time I've recognized it as not the beginning of a migraine like I thought it was and is in fact a symptom of withdrawal (why does withdrawal have an extra A in it that is dumb).

    I know what I need to do. I know what I HAVE To do. I don't know WHEN I SHOULD do it so as to not hurt a body already going through system shocks as we play system Tetris.



    STUBBORN PATH OR SMART PATH
    So realizing that you're dependent on a substance to exist like a human and your body craves it hard when you don't give substance to it is scary. Do I not give substance to body and ride out the unicorns until its done.

    Do I give substance to body in increasingly small doses until I'm not doing that anymore and then in the future use it sparingly if at all.


  • SaritaSarita Empress of Bahir'an The Pillars of the EarthMember, Guildmaster Posts: 745 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah, yes. Topamax is nicknamed Dopamax for a very good reason.
    Mariena
  • ElliotElliot AustraliaMember Posts: 32 ✭✭
    @Mariena Hey there.

    I'm not sure if we've spoken before, but I am fairly open about the fact that my spine is pretty heavily damaged and I have a lot of issues with it. I have been on some really intense pain killers before, and I have been horribly addicted to a couple of them, in the physical sense.

    I don't use drugs recreationally very much, and I'm not usually fond of being high - only really when I want to be, do I want to be. Funny how that works.

    So I'm not sure about what degree of mental dependence you have on these drugs, apart from the effects they are meant to have. But, here is some advice that is based off my experience and the assumption that you are not someone who needs the high:




    Do not just take the drug you're addicted to as well as the other medicine! The new drug might conflict with it and put you (further) in hospital. Check with a doctor first.

    Cold turkey is fast and effective and a bad time.

    I would spend a few days, a few awful days, on no drugs at all, when I was stopping or changing a prescription. It was painful and sickening and a few times there were embarrassing moments from my body deciding it wasn't listening to my brain. There were tears and snot and mood swings, but even for things I was quite addicted to, this never took me longer than a week. Usually around 3 days. If you want the addiction GONE, then the withdrawal can be worth the faster process. Only do this AFTER letting your doctor know, because unicorns can happen, and only if you can say "Okay, brb life, need to go do stuff". If you have responsibilities that you can't back out of for a little bit, then do something more gradual, because if you're as addicted as you say, you are not going to be super functional.

    Weaning is slow and not as awful but can lead to your condition being more of a dick.

    Weaning lets you function, even if you're not exactly happy about it. It's slower, so the 'effectiveness' of your treatments might be compromised during the switch. Expect crabbiness, irritation. If you spend a lot of time with someone, you might end up having a blue because, at least in my experience, you'll WANT to start something. If you have a close family or a life partner, you might want to let them know that you're not going to be a basket of sunshine for a little while. However, you do have to TRY to live normally, and it can take take a lot of effort some days. That's the price of weaning. Cold turkey sucks more, but at least you can give in and cry and be useless while you kick the addiction. Weaning gives you enough control that you're still going to have your actions reflect on you, because you'll have more control.

    This is not a decision you should make on your own. I am (and was even more so during the thick of it) a young and otherwise healthy man. I could handle a lot of medical backlash from withdrawal and was entirely in care, so it didn't matter if I was out of commission for a while longer than expected. Speak to your doctor about it. This is obvious advice, but when it comes to pharmaceuticals, the only person who could and can predict my reactions to prescription changes better than me is my GP. I know him pretty well, he knows me fairly well. I've been seeing him for 7 years, so he can tell these things. If you don't know your GP that well, then a second opinion doesn't hurt, but with this kind of thing, I have to advise you to value their thoughts more than your own.

    I hope this helps, and if you need someone to complain to about withdrawal symptoms, feel free to shoot me a message. It's gross and sometimes embarrassing to talk about to someone who hasn't also been through it, so yeah.
    TeaniMariena
  • RhyotRhyot BloodlochMember Posts: 298 ✭✭✭
    You ever think about how some urinals are shorter than others so that children and midgets can use them??

    Do you ever wonder if a midget gets pissed off because there's no shorter toilets and they possibly have to jump/climb to get atop a toilet??


  • KelliaraKelliara Member Posts: 575 ✭✭✭✭
    Apparently the new Marvel movie has sold more in presales than several of the previous movies combined.

    Does an increase in hype, and therefore expectations, have an inverse effect on the perceived quality of a product? If so, where is the line? At what point does hype start to become unhelpful, or even harmful?
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  • MarienaMariena By a lake. Member, Guildmaster Posts: 614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rhyot said:

    You ever think about how some urinals are shorter than others so that children and midgets can use them??

    Do you ever wonder if a midget gets pissed off because there's no shorter toilets and they possibly have to jump/climb to get atop a toilet??

    This is a good argument for squatty pottys to be in every bathroom, tucked away. you can pull them out when needed. Ergonomic for your colon and helpful for the short.


    RhyotZailaXenia
  • EydisEydis Member Posts: 122 ✭✭✭
    edited March 7
    -If I had an unlimited budget I would get a custom made 40-50s wardrobe reminiscent of Dior’s new look.

    -I don’t understand why people enjoy the chronicles of Narnia. I love CS Lewis as a writer and a theologian but man, Narnia was bland as white bread.

    -I like 90 Day Fiancé. I’m still not sure why. It could be because it’s like rubbernecking a car wreck.

    -Risk board game > all

    -I’m still convinced that 2009 Enorian was- and still would be- the best city to role play in. It had an active god in Arion that championed it and made it immersive. It had a player driven, moral zealot center that encouraged conflict so the org felt like it had purpose and dimension. I could go on and on but A+. Sibatti’s Duiran is a close second for much the same reasons. Republican Spinesreach is okay.
    EDITED: For nuance


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  • KalinaarKalinaar Member Posts: 113 ✭✭✭
    If I could be any kind of dog, what kind of dog would I be? Definitely a prairie dog.
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  • AloliAloli Member Posts: 147 ✭✭✭
    Kalinaar said:
    If I could be any kind of dog, what kind of dog would I be? Definitely a prairie dog.

    Kalinaar
  • DiogenDiogen Member, Immortal Posts: 186 Immortal
    Interesting thoughts.

    I feel that Spinesreach has a lot to draw from regarding its Ankyrean legacy. I understand the city has mostly evolved from that concept, though I still think it would be cool if there was more focus on the pursuit of progress at any cost.

    If you're having trouble with org direction, I'd suggest setting up a meeting with us so we can work things out and do some brainstorming. We're here to help! ;)

  • KalinaarKalinaar Member Posts: 113 ✭✭✭
    Does anyone else here actually remember Ashtan that actually was actively involved in Ashtan? I for one (and I'm probably in the minority I guess) really enjoyed that city and would leave Duiran behind in a heartbeat if there were some resurrection of it that took place. 

    At the time when I quit playing aetolia way back then, Ashtan was hostile toward bloodloch and shallam simultaneously. It was chaotic and in the chaos it was very interesting.

    By default, duiran and enorian are allies against the ebil bloodloch and spinesreach +snore+... huh? Woops fell asleep! Anyway, it's kinda boring having a status quo relationship with other cities. One thing missing from Aetolia that a neutral (though self serving would be a better description of Ashtan imo) city provided was a force that threw political and moral stress into the mix between the cities and grayed the lines of battle. Of course, this could be a role that Spinesreach could take over as well. 

    A cool plot twist I would like to see to replace this void is something that forces the cities to have to truly choose between their overall goal or their allies. The only way to save the world is to use the power of dendara but doing so severely weakens dendara as a random example. Or, a tomb has been unearthed that contains something that could empower the bloodlines but it would harm Spinesreach in the process. Something that puts stress on alliances, may create new alliances against old ones, pisses off one good against another of the same tether, etc.

    TLDR: Complete polarization is predictable and a little boring. Screwing over your allies is realistic politically and creates more interesting RP experiences.

    Ps - I'm not still in the shower. 
  • TozToz Member Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Diogen Ankyrean stuff we tried to get going a little during the Jox event but got told "Yeah the magic's gone soz" so it seemed like a non-starter. But that's also still a means to an end, not actually an end, if that makes sense? Either way, I'm just casually spitballing- there are a lot of things that need tinkering with/etc. before that.

    @Kalinaar pls no we are not going neutral. We tried Spines v BL v Duinorian and it was awful, because those cities usually outnumber us ANYWAY. And Duinorian will never split. We tried, admin tried, it's bad times to try. Gonna be a 2v2, that's just the way it goes.

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  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 601 admin
    I have also surrendered. The game is tether v tether now, attempts to split that up hurted. Neutral... I don't like. It doesn't breed conflict and leads to stagnation and infighting. With the way it is now, one of the two per side can choose to be less aggressive and simulate neutrality anyway.
    TozMoxie
  • RhyotRhyot BloodlochMember Posts: 298 ✭✭✭
    @Kalinaar Don't let Toz lie to you. Everyone loved the Spinesreach v BL v Duinorian fight. The lesser fights were hectic and crazy.

    @Tiur If you want to split it up into a four way battle royale... what would happen if you made a war system that allows a city to attack another city and claim comms as a source of resource boost... so long as they win some sort of skirmish event?


    TozIazamatKalinaar
  • HavenHaven World Burner Flight SchoolMember Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Neutrality would only really work in an environment like Aetolia under Admin direction, I think. An "active" NPC city to cause turmoil and test allegiances. Unfortunately, I think it'd take a lot of resources to get off the ground and maintain so probably an unrealistic goal for the moment.
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  • IazamatIazamat Member Posts: 85 ✭✭✭
    edited March 8
    While I think the overall Spirit vs. Shadow plot/conflict is awful and doesn't actually engage conflict, I'm fine with the game remaining a 2v2. I just wish cities had more identity and served a greater purpose than the gathering hubs for players (which has since trickled down to guilds, with many losing identity and purpose since they were so stringently tied to cities). Speaking from firsthand experience, BL has an identity crisis - you're either vampire or not, and if you're not, you have less of a role in the city unless you want to rock the boat and potentially get banished. I know some of the onus is on the players to take what we've been given and turn that into something, but we haven't really been given much to work with. Literally very little (outside of titles and names in a lot of instances) have changed about cities since 2010 or before.

    In my opinion, making each city's ruling style unique would go a long way in making each city distinct from the others (alongside some pretty heavy lore drops to give people multiple points to branch out from and latch onto). I have an idea for BL that I came up with, and I'd be glad to share, but based on things said elsewhere on the forums, putting it here would make it difficult or impossible to then use in-game for legal reasons and such. I'd rather not jeopardize any potential plans, since I'd like to see things change and improve, so throw my name in the hat for people who feel like things have just become too stagnant/impossible to engage with due to overall world plot/conflict and lack of concrete, engaging RP.
    Vyxsis
  • DannonDannon Member Posts: 11
    This has kind of gone way off on a tangent unrelated to the thread's topic, folks.
    MjollStathan
  • IazamatIazamat Member Posts: 85 ✭✭✭
    Nah, these are still shower thoughts. Long, involved shower thoughts, but still shower thoughts.
    Kalinaar
  • RhyotRhyot BloodlochMember Posts: 298 ✭✭✭
    Iazamat said:

    Speaking from firsthand experience, BL has an identity crisis - you're either vampire or not, and if you're not, you have less of a role in the city unless you want to rock the boat and potentially get banished.

    Personally, I think the whole idea of vampirism should just get tossed out the window at this point. The Dominion is a failure of an organization because it consists of 4 Houses... none of which can ever agree on anything because it doesn't benefit them all individually. Nobody in the Dominion actually really even CARES about the Dominion. And the only reason why the Dominion even EXISTS is because of admin intervention saying it has to exist. The players didn't even WANT the Dominion after Abhorash was nuked.

    Secondly, the Housing system could go as well. There's no point to it. Everyone either works for Bloodloch or they don't. Much like any other city. This whole multi-layered organization floundry has done nothing but make people stay to their own circles instead of working together for the city.

    Thirdly, I've not really seen an issue of people being sidebarred or slapped because they aren't undead. However, if that is truly the case, get rid of that too. Bloodloch can reform a new identity without the use of vampirism or undeath. As it stands, very few people even utilize Praenomen as a class, so losing said class wouldn't even be constituted as much of a loss, especially since they don't even have a guild anymore.


    Arbre
  • VyxsisVyxsis VyxsisMember Posts: 439 ✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8
    Rhyot said:

    The Dominion [...] consists of 4 Houses...



    ETA: bloodloch definitely needs a shakeup in the worst way. i couldn't let this slide by, though...
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  • ImvraImvra Member, Moderator, Immortal Posts: 64 Immortal
    Purpose for cities is a mixed bag of objectives. Vancouver has no purpose, it is a place you live. Rome had no purpose, except for the empire its leaders gave it.

    A clear identity and community is, in the end, more valuable to a broad organization like a city than the kind of mission-based-purpose we're accustomed to. It is something we have seen demoralize this playerbase in the past, and in other games, where their goal is something that mechanically will not happen. Bloodloch will never conquer all of Sapience. Duiran will never destroy all cities and return to hunter-gatherer nature.

    The lore is there for each org to work with or ignore as the players choose. We can definitely work on better highlighting if it has been lost track of over the years, although this cycles into other conflict of how much Administrative interference you really want.

    Bloodloch:
    • Vampirism and Undeath
    • Protecting Sapience by ensuring the Pillars of Azvosh remain intact, to keep the Earthen Plane from colliding with Prime.
    • Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim their glory through dominance and strength.
    Spinesreach:
    • Ankyrean legacy, attempts to restructure, research, and regain some of that lost power while at the same time not repeating the same mistakes. (RIP Conclaves)
    • Lore-centric in many global events, shared history integral to the larger conflicts through Severn
    • Wardens of the Shadow Plane, developing mastery over the element to build their strength and help in the monitoring and fight against Ohlsana's influence.
    • Progress and industrial/magical advancement at whatever the cost.
    Duiran:
    • Protection of Dendara, the plane of Life, at all costs.
    • Maintain the balance of elements in the Prime Material Plane, now dual-front with Shadow and Undeath between Bloodloch and Spinesreach, and Spirit from Enorian and the revival of the Duamvi.
    • Conservation and reclamation of the natural world over the damage the citystate and invasive conflict leaves.
    Enorian:
    • Purge the excess Shadow from Sapience, bring about the Age of Dawn
    • Protection of the every day person
    • Religious focus on the Gods of Spirit and unifying their values
    MoxieStathanKalinaar
  • IazamatIazamat Member Posts: 85 ✭✭✭
    Imvra said:

    Purpose for cities is a mixed bag of objectives. Vancouver has no purpose, it is a place you live. Rome had no purpose, except for the empire its leaders gave it.

    A clear identity and community is, in the end, more valuable to a broad organization like a city than the kind of mission-based-purpose we're accustomed to. It is something we have seen demoralize this playerbase in the past, and in other games, where their goal is something that mechanically will not happen. Bloodloch will never conquer all of Sapience. Duiran will never destroy all cities and return to hunter-gatherer nature.

    The lore is there for each org to work with or ignore as the players choose. We can definitely work on better highlighting if it has been lost track of over the years, although this cycles into other conflict of how much Administrative interference you really want.

    Bloodloch:

    • Vampirism and Undeath
    • Protecting Sapience by ensuring the Pillars of Azvosh remain intact, to keep the Earthen Plane from colliding with Prime.
    • Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim their glory through dominance and strength.
    You're right, our real life cities and nations don't have purpose beyond existing as a place we live in, but that's not the reality of the game itself. They need to be engines through which people can engage with the game - and I agree that it can be demoralizing to have an unattainable objective, but something beyond a few extremely simple concepts (strength, protection, legacy) is needed to drive the people into the overall conflict of the game and push them to interact with others and engage in conflict.

    As for your points about Bloodloch, the Pillars are not something that's city-centric. They're very much tied to the Teradrim only, and the guild definitely needs to push it as an angle more and bring it to the city, but as a concept, it doesn't work because the city can't interact with Azvosh/the Pillars. They can't visit them (without Teradrim assistance), they can't feed them, Bloodloch can't mechanically use them to imprison smaller threats and feel like wardens protecting the world, etc, etc. It's a great concept I can get behind, but there's no engagement on a city level due to the mechanical foundations and setup, which instantly kills it as an RP tree for anyone but the Teradrim. The concept needs expanded, given more role importance to the Teradrim, and then brought to the city in ways they can tangibly interact and assist with it.
    ImvraVyxsis
  • RhyotRhyot BloodlochMember Posts: 298 ✭✭✭
    Imvra said:

    Purpose for cities is a mixed bag of objectives. Vancouver has no purpose, it is a place you live. Rome had no purpose, except for the empire its leaders gave it.

    A clear identity and community is, in the end, more valuable to a broad organization like a city than the kind of mission-based-purpose we're accustomed to. It is something we have seen demoralize this playerbase in the past, and in other games, where their goal is something that mechanically will not happen. Bloodloch will never conquer all of Sapience. Duiran will never destroy all cities and return to hunter-gatherer nature.

    The lore is there for each org to work with or ignore as the players choose. We can definitely work on better highlighting if it has been lost track of over the years, although this cycles into other conflict of how much Administrative interference you really want.

    Bloodloch:

    • Vampirism and Undeath
    • Protecting Sapience by ensuring the Pillars of Azvosh remain intact, to keep the Earthen Plane from colliding with Prime.
    • Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim their glory through dominance and strength.
    To tack on with Iazamat... Bloodloch can't push as being a city of Vampirism and Undeath anymore because they now accept and have people who are living as citizens of the city. So unless we want to kick them out, this angle of RP has been nullified due to recent changes (via admin intervention).

    This leaves the last angle. "Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim glory through dominance and strength" LOLWUT? Bloodloch has an empire? wut??? Who all do they subjugate? Last time I checked, the only protectorate they had was El'Jazira.


    Kalinaar
  • EmirEmir Member Posts: 300 ✭✭✭
    @Rhyot do me a favor and do II SCEPTER ok thanks

    @Imvra Tying Spinesreach to anything Ankyrean is about as retarded as the last generation of Ankyreans said the rellyw were. Unless it is hardcoded that my character is actually as mentally inept as they said I was (That's a joke because Emir is special). It always threw me when older Spirean players said stuff like 'Oh I hate vampires because they played a part in bringing about the end of Ankyrean Spinesreach' or something of a similar vein. Any Rellyw (read: every citizen) of Spinesreach should be THANKFUL that it ended, right? Or was that lore retconned? Am I misremembering? We should harbor a bitter hatred towards the Ankyreans. We should have tried to lock Lobyl up immediately, then found out he was from a different time period than what we knew about, THEN we could have been like 'ok we can be friends I guess' but still slightly mistrusted him?
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  • VyxsisVyxsis VyxsisMember Posts: 439 ✭✭✭✭
    Iazamat said:

    Imvra said:

    Purpose for cities is a mixed bag of objectives. Vancouver has no purpose, it is a place you live. Rome had no purpose, except for the empire its leaders gave it.

    A clear identity and community is, in the end, more valuable to a broad organization like a city than the kind of mission-based-purpose we're accustomed to. It is something we have seen demoralize this playerbase in the past, and in other games, where their goal is something that mechanically will not happen. Bloodloch will never conquer all of Sapience. Duiran will never destroy all cities and return to hunter-gatherer nature.

    The lore is there for each org to work with or ignore as the players choose. We can definitely work on better highlighting if it has been lost track of over the years, although this cycles into other conflict of how much Administrative interference you really want.

    Bloodloch:

    • Vampirism and Undeath
    • Protecting Sapience by ensuring the Pillars of Azvosh remain intact, to keep the Earthen Plane from colliding with Prime.
    • Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim their glory through dominance and strength.
    You're right, our real life cities and nations don't have purpose beyond existing as a place we live in, but that's not the reality of the game itself. They need to be engines through which people can engage with the game - and I agree that it can be demoralizing to have an unattainable objective, but something beyond a few extremely simple concepts (strength, protection, legacy) is needed to drive the people into the overall conflict of the game and push them to interact with others and engage in conflict.

    As for your points about Bloodloch, the Pillars are not something that's city-centric. They're very much tied to the Teradrim only, and the guild definitely needs to push it as an angle more and bring it to the city, but as a concept, it doesn't work because the city can't interact with Azvosh/the Pillars. They can't visit them (without Teradrim assistance), they can't feed them, Bloodloch can't mechanically use them to imprison smaller threats and feel like wardens protecting the world, etc, etc. It's a great concept I can get behind, but there's no engagement on a city level due to the mechanical foundations and setup, which instantly kills it as an RP tree for anyone but the Teradrim. The concept needs expanded, given more role importance to the Teradrim, and then brought to the city in ways they can tangibly interact and assist with it.
    if i can piggyback a teensy bit here...

    first of all, i'd be completely stoked to see more azvosh/pillars stuff done on the city level. maybe this is a good application of IDEA 1490!

    vampirism/undeath (hereafter: VU) is a dead end as an identity with any meaning, as far as i can tell. bloodloch only began accepting living citizens again during my tenure in aetolia, and while i'm sure the exact reasons behind it were complicated, my sense is that you wouldn't be totally wrong to simply observe that the city needed to have a little life *rimshots and airhorns* injected into it. while i can see the city continuing to be the most supportive of VU, trying to maintain the centrality of VU to bloodloch's identity seems counterproductive. a not insignificant consideration here is that, frankly, the dominion is widely disliked, even among vampires. the various vampire mechanics, especially organizational mechanics, absolutely are part of what makes bloodloch struggle on a city level - just for example, consider that no other group has a permanent seat on the ruling council that a single person can occupy until they willingly step down or stop logging in for a prolonged period.

    N.B. that i don't want to make this about any particular player, so please let's not slam anyone specific. i'm just trying to observe that thematically and structurally, bloodloch is set up in a way that encourages people to just kinda sit where they are.

    the above isn't a full critique so much as a few observations, and i don't really have any good (shower or otherwise) thoughts about how to revitalize the governmental/political structure. however, i was briefly spitballing some theme ideas with @Rhyot (i know it's surprising, but sometimes we both take a break from digging out our respective salt mines), and i think there's a way we can make a sort of lateral shift into something a little healthier for us as a whole: rather than being specifically the city of VU, we take Chakrasul's name for us more seriously (and maybe a little creatively). City of Carnage - or, the Carnal City, united in wanton glorification of physical strength, violence, pleasure, etc. a city whose ethos is: take what you want. this is potentially a good tie-in for vampirism, as well as for any others of the extreme lengths to which bloodloch's citizens go to achieve their goals. it would also play very well into our new patron's teachings. just, like, generally win-win, i think, in that it accommodates the full breadth of citizenry, doesn't necessarily privilege one group over others, etcetera.

    just ideas, of course! i do think the mechanics of our political structure will need adjustment to really get the most out of this pivot i'm trying to describe, though. gosh, i really hope we can get some adjustments to our political mechanics.

    /$20.02
    Indoran'i is back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (wolf Howl)
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    (Tells): From afar, Mephistoles hisses harshly to you, "Hey baby, show me your ovipositor?"
    The mighty Jy'Barrak Golgotha opens his maw, catches the glowing spear in his many jagged teeth, and chomps down. The Divine spear breaks with a noise like thunder, shards toppling from the Emperor's jaws. "OM NOM NOM!" He declares, then spits the last of the ruined weapon from his lips.




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    Rhyot said:

    This leaves the last angle. "Legacy of old Empires trying to reclaim glory through dominance and strength" LOLWUT? Bloodloch has an empire? wut??? Who all do they subjugate? Last time I checked, the only protectorate they had was El'Jazira.

    to be fair, i think the main (though not only) example was the indorani - a major imperial force back in the pre-game historical times. my plan to bring this theme into play in the present by slowly bringing bloodloch, and then the rest of the world, under indorani control hit a slight roadbump when i got the guild nuked, though.
    Indoran'i is back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (wolf Howl)
    An Atzob cultist says, "Is a shamatato as tasty as a potato?"
    (Tells): From afar, Mephistoles hisses harshly to you, "Hey baby, show me your ovipositor?"
    The mighty Jy'Barrak Golgotha opens his maw, catches the glowing spear in his many jagged teeth, and chomps down. The Divine spear breaks with a noise like thunder, shards toppling from the Emperor's jaws. "OM NOM NOM!" He declares, then spits the last of the ruined weapon from his lips.




    LeanaKalinaar
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