Chaos Orb vs Sentinel

Trager

So it's there in the title, just looking for the overall opinion here from Aetolia's fighters. As everyone knows, I would hope, Sentinel locks and offense for the most part depend on a large amount of attacks directed to the head to both seal a lock, finish a lock, etcetera through impatience, indifference, epilepsy, confusion. Now, the usual way around this for Sentinels is to catch them in a moment of paresis (or paralysis) to inhibit their ability to parry the head via crossbow or lucky timing. Chaos Orb is not stopped or inhibited by any of these hindering tactics, it's basically a static parry that you can not get around without using an orb sigil. Everyone knows that when fighting a Sentinel, the best possible way to go about it is a non-roaming parry head tactic, as it's a big chunk of our offense.

Just looking for opinion from everyone else, this is in no way a flame or a bash on the class, just looking to get a general consensus on whether people think it is of legitimate concern enough to look into.

Thanks!

Trager

Sorry, forgot the most important one perhaps: Throatcrush.

Haven

I'm not sure what they're waiting for, perhaps Cabalist revamps, but I believe they're already set on removing the last of double parry from the game (Domination skillset for Indorani and Cabalists).

Ishin

Orb is a pain in the ass for any class that has to hit limbs. Try fighting one as Shapeshifter and you'll see exactly what I mean. Sentinels have it just as rough, but tbh, the only thing I can tell you is to stick disloyalty. Unless you have a class that can startle minions like Shapeshifter, you're pretty boned in that regard. Alternatively, you can actually target them and kill them, I believe, but you might have to smoke the actual Chaos Minion entity first.

Serrice

They don't have a lock breaker, so just soft lock and ensure it's reinforced. Alternatively, nuke it with an orb sigil and see if they remember to resummon.

Nalor

Serrice said:

They don't have a lock breaker, so just soft lock and ensure it's reinforced. Alternatively, nuke it with an orb sigil and see if they remember to resummon.

End of issue ^... But I dont see an issue with Sentinel and orb.. The issue is shapeshifter/monk/daru (even tho daru have a skill to passive it for x amount of time) .. Just use a different venom combo to softlock them to stick disfigurement... if the person moves orb it has a 3p line so its not like its invisible on which limb its been moved to

Just add a thing to track what limb orb is on.. Granted more coding but will do the trick til its deleted

Serrice

Agreed that it's Tekura and lycans who have the most issues with chaos orb.

Tina

Orb parrying also drops if we are proned, sleeping, etc, and is auto destroyed after 7 blocks I think it is. While it is annoying I agree, and I'm looking forward to domination going away, orb sigils aren't the only way to handle it. Double parry and chaos ents do need to go away.

Nalor

@Tina no such thing as double parry no more unless you have the old paladin or infernal ... just orbs now

Serrice

@Nalor: She's just using double parry to refer to the effect in general.

Seir

It's widely been recognized that double parry is largely unnecessary and massively unpleasant for any limb-based class to deal with on top of pre-restore. Orb was permanent before and double parry removed with the knight revamp but Orb managed to stay on as a temp. parry a few times and then fade. Unfortunately, it's fairly easy to re-summon and reapply to slow down the limb-based offense enough to reset it.

Hard to replace Orb to something as equally or remotely close to useful though, unfortunately.

Ezalor

Chaos Orb should be scrapped altogether. Or at the very least given a 3+ minute cooldown on resummon and lowered to 3 hit kill or something.

Xavin

Suggestion: Make orb something similar to devotion truth.

Ishin

GTFO we don't need more anti-phase abilities in the game.

Xavin

Just saying, it's a useful utility since it hits blackwind, phase, mistform, and lightform without needing to waste balance wielding an eye sigil.

Ashmer

It wouldn't hit Phase, because only the Symbol-empowered Truth acts as an eye sigil, and it's bugged to boot. It also can't really hit Mistform, I don't think, because reform from Mistform requires an Earthmeld.

It would be a useful mirror to Truth, provided it didn't hit Phase, due to Illumination getting Lightform to mirror Blackwind. If you were to keep it with a raw-utility theme, you could also give it the ability to Angel Seek, or a mirror to it, and an Alertness-type thing. Turn it into more of an Eyeball than an Orb, but this is just me running with the utility-vision themed replacement for double parry, and completely speculative.

Nalor

eye sigils/truth does hit mist form it sends you to the 'diffuse mist' place....

Ashmer

Nalor said:

eye sigils/truth does hit mist form it sends you to the 'diffuse mist' place....

TIL

Edit: Since someone asked me what "TIL" means, it means "Today I Learned." I didn't know eye sigil and Mistform interacted this way, that's nifty.

Xavin

Ashmer said:

Nalor said:

eye sigils/truth does hit mist form it sends you to the 'diffuse mist' place....

TIL

Edit: Since someone asked me what "TIL" means, it means "Today I Learned." I didn't know eye sigil and Mistform interacted this way, that's nifty.

It has to, because mistform isn't just the death state for vampires.

Ashmer

Xavin said:

Ashmer said:

Nalor said:

eye sigils/truth does hit mist form it sends you to the 'diffuse mist' place....

TIL

Edit: Since someone asked me what "TIL" means, it means "Today I Learned." I didn't know eye sigil and Mistform interacted this way, that's nifty.

It has to, because mistform isn't just the death state for vampires.

Yeah, it makes sense now that it would work this way, I just couldn't grock eye sigil pulling a vampire from Mistform into an unphased state. It would be OP, since a vampire could have someone un-phase them instead of earthmeld/diffuse mist. Working that way is very flavorful and pretty nifty.