That's the thing about alignments, though. Ultimately it doesn't matter what the character thinks about their own actions. A paladin could have the best of intentions and still fall, and be utterly blown away by it - simply not understanding that they were wrong about their actions.
Ultimately, though, the problem with these alignments is they're too restrictive. And the games that use them typically have a undeniable ways of being able to determine alignment - detection spells, spells with greater effect/no effect depending on alignment, etc. It leaves no room for grey area.
@aishia If either of those terms describes always saying the one thing that is guaranteed to confuse me, leaving me with a vague idea that I should be laughing, then yes.
Gonna necro this thread, don't care. Comic is awesome!
That aside, I find it really difficult to categorize Haven in these alignments... I'm torn between Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Good. Although he's probably perceived as CE by many people. xD
¤ Si vis pacem, para bellum. ¤
Someone powerful says, "We're going to have to delete you."
He's a bit like Rorschach from Watchmen. And that one is hard to define too.
If we take 'lawful' to mean adhering to society's rules, then he's chaotic. If we take 'lawful' to mean adhering to a strong personal code, then he's lawful. I think it's the former.
If we take 'good' to mean on the stereotypical good side, then he's good. If we take 'good' to mean peaceful and loving, then he's evil. This is a tough one because it's common in Aetolian understanding that light != good. But in this case, I"ll take the first interpretation.
So I'd say chaotic good
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Rorschach is solidly Lawful Neutral. He has his own personal code that he does not flinch or compromise from. Ever. It was demonstrated very clearly at the end of the movie as well. Lawful doesn't always mean that you adhere to the laws of a country or society. It just means you have very clear rules, codes, and modus operandi for how you live and act. The Comedian, on the other hand, would be solidly Chaotic Evil. He has no code, no method of operation. He kills, enjoys it, laughs at it, rapes, and feels pretty much nothing in the way of remorse for his actions. Some say that Rorschach is evil, but he's a bit too grey to be evil.
On the subject of morality, it really depends on whether or not an individuals views morality as relative or universal. For clarification, relative morality refers to the idea that there are different viewpoints. It is like in Eleanor's case where her character would view herself as good and others as evil, though by a universal morality standpoint, Eleanor's ethics would likely portray her to be evil. Granted, Necromancers don't have to be evil. I play a very solidly anti-hero one in Imperian.
In the sense of traditional D&D alignment, you fit your character based on a universal morality standpoint. I can say that in the Planescape setting, it wouldn't matter if your character thought he was good or not by murdering, butchering, and slaughtering. His soul would likely still end up in Baator (the Nine Hells) or the Abyss (Infinite Demon Plane).
Edit: If I had to put my personal take on some of the characters listed previously. Kaolla is Chaotic Neutral to an extreme. Probably to the point where she's flown off the scale. Lin would be true neutral or chaotic neutral as well in my eyes. I'd also say that Moirean is Neutral Evil since she combines impish antics with the personal code and honor of a Carnifex. Carnifex are, by nature, a brutal lot however so she'd be evil by a universal morality standpoint. A lot of characters in Aetolia, in my opinion, walk the grey line. Exceptions would be some Spireans and most Bloodlochians. Bloodlochians are generally on the evil spectrum by their very nature. Bloodloch, as a society and a city, falls under the Lawful Evil spectrum. Aetolia has a very strong relative morality thing though, so... it's all grey when it comes down to it.
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the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
open hand or closed fist would be fine
blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine
You mean Lawful Troll.
the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
open hand or closed fist would be fine
blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine
Ultimately, though, the problem with these alignments is they're too restrictive. And the games that use them typically have a undeniable ways of being able to determine alignment - detection spells, spells with greater effect/no effect depending on alignment, etc. It leaves no room for grey area.
If either of those terms describes always saying the one thing that is guaranteed to confuse me, leaving me with a vague idea that I should be laughing, then yes.
That aside, I find it really difficult to categorize Haven in these alignments... I'm torn between Lawful Neutral and Chaotic Good. Although he's probably perceived as CE by many people. xD
the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine
open hand or closed fist would be fine
blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine
If we take 'lawful' to mean adhering to society's rules, then he's chaotic.
If we take 'lawful' to mean adhering to a strong personal code, then he's lawful.
I think it's the former.
If we take 'good' to mean on the stereotypical good side, then he's good.
If we take 'good' to mean peaceful and loving, then he's evil.
This is a tough one because it's common in Aetolian understanding that light != good. But in this case, I"ll take the first interpretation.
So I'd say chaotic good
On the subject of morality, it really depends on whether or not an individuals views morality as relative or universal. For clarification, relative morality refers to the idea that there are different viewpoints. It is like in Eleanor's case where her character would view herself as good and others as evil, though by a universal morality standpoint, Eleanor's ethics would likely portray her to be evil. Granted, Necromancers don't have to be evil. I play a very solidly anti-hero one in Imperian.
In the sense of traditional D&D alignment, you fit your character based on a universal morality standpoint. I can say that in the Planescape setting, it wouldn't matter if your character thought he was good or not by murdering, butchering, and slaughtering. His soul would likely still end up in Baator (the Nine Hells) or the Abyss (Infinite Demon Plane).
Edit: If I had to put my personal take on some of the characters listed previously. Kaolla is Chaotic Neutral to an extreme. Probably to the point where she's flown off the scale. Lin would be true neutral or chaotic neutral as well in my eyes. I'd also say that Moirean is Neutral Evil since she combines impish antics with the personal code and honor of a Carnifex. Carnifex are, by nature, a brutal lot however so she'd be evil by a universal morality standpoint. A lot of characters in Aetolia, in my opinion, walk the grey line. Exceptions would be some Spireans and most Bloodlochians. Bloodlochians are generally on the evil spectrum by their very nature. Bloodloch, as a society and a city, falls under the Lawful Evil spectrum. Aetolia has a very strong relative morality thing though, so... it's all grey when it comes down to it.