What combos does your class use?

OleisOleis Producer EmeritusMember, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,393 admin
edited January 2014 in Idea Box
Part of this liaison round's focus is making combo-based combat easier and more intuitive. With stupidity changing to affect the combo as a whole rather than each individual attack within, I'd really like to add COMBO commands to each class for which combos are an essential part of combat. Let me know what would be useful and what aspects of your attacks should be included. This also includes things like inline envenoming.

For example:
  • Ferality combo combines two claw attacks
  • Dhuriv combo
  • Tekura combo combines a leg attack and two punches
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  • ArekaAreka Drifting in a sea of wenches' bosomsMember, Guildmaster Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BATTLEFURY COMBO
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  • OleisOleis Producer Emeritus Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,393 admin
    What should it do? Edited my post to clarify that I'm looking for meaty suggestions.
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  • EzalorEzalor Emperor D'baen CanadaMember Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    For Praenomen:

    Frenzy/dwhisper
    Wipe/envenom/slash/dwhisper
    Blood spew/dwhisper
    Blood poison/dwhisper
    Blood curse/dwhisper

    For Bloodborn:

    Frenzy/dwhisper
    Wipe/envenom/slash/dwhisper

    Templar:

    Wipe/wipe/envenom/envenom/dsk/envenom/envenom (the latter 2 commands may not be necessary anymore with the MG/Engage reports)
    Cleanse/cleanse/empower/empower/dsk/envenom/envenom (or any combination of empower/envenom)

    Syssin:
    Secure/wield/wipe/envenom/dstab/hypno
    Secure/wield/wipe/envenom/flay/hypno

    Were you looking for it in this format?

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  • ArekaAreka Drifting in a sea of wenches' bosomsMember, Guildmaster Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WHAT EZALOR SAID except to allow cleanse/wipe wipe/cleanse and empower/envenom  and envenom/empower as well. 
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  • DaskalosDaskalos Credit Whore Extraordinare Rolling amongst piles of credits.Member, Guildmaster Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Luminary:

    Angel Battle\Almost anything if we've got wrack balance.

    Angel Battle\Shield Attacks\Chasten

    Smite\angel power

    Would not an easier way be to possibly let people COMBO DSK Varian#NextAttack and just have the game execute it all in one go, versus command stacking, if that makes sense?

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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm under the impression that combo based attacks are no good against mobs that heal per hit, IE you cannot kill the elder daemon with a combo strike as it will heal twice per combo.  Is there a way around that?  I ended up having to trans a new class to kill it and I know most people cannot do that.
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  • AngweAngwe I'm the dog that ate yr birthday cake Bedford, VAMember Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sentinel: (Note: 'SLICE' may be 'STAB' depending on whether the user is trying to pressure mana with bleed damage or going for straight cutting damage.)

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV REAVE TARGET/DHURIV SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV REAVE TARGE/T/DHURIVE SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH Y/DHURIV SLASH TARGET/DHURIVE SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV SLASH TARGET/DHURIVE GOUGE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV SLAM TARGET/DHURIVE SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV THROATCRUSH TARGET/DHURIV SLICE TARGET

    DHURIV SLAM TARGET/DHURIVE GOUGE TARGET

    DHURIV THROATCRUSH TARGET/DHURIVE GOUGE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH Y/DHURIV AMBUSH TARGET/DHURIVE SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV AMBUSH TARGET/DHURIVE GOUGE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV WEAKEN TARGET (LEFT/RIGHT) (ARM/LEG)/ DHURIV GOUGE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV WEAKEN TARGET (LEFT/RIGHT) (ARM/LEG)/ DHURIV SLICE TARGET

    WIPE DHURIVE/ENVENOM DHURIVE WITH X/DHURIV CROSSCUT TARGET/DHURIV SLICE TARGET

    Think you've got the idea. Basically, I use EVERYTHING  in EVERY combination but slit, heartbreaker, disarm and trip. Pierce and sever are very occasional. Blind and Strike are good for bashing with Thrust as a followup.
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Add in wield/weapon swapping to some of these.
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  • IrruelIrruel Member Posts: 670 ✭✭✭✭

    Shaman - Primality
    Almost every primality attack can be preceded by boost, which uses no eq or bal.

    Perhaps the syntax of each ability could change:

    Commune lightning Moirean
    Commune lightning Moirean boost

    Not really a biggy as it's just a single line but since we're on the topic and all.




  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @angwe - you can already combo dhuriv attacks, btw
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    @Areka wipe weapon now cleanses weapon also, so you dont have to cleanse no more!


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  • AngweAngwe I'm the dog that ate yr birthday cake Bedford, VAMember Posts: 978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Moirean I know you can. The man just asked for a list. See: 1st post.
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  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    This might sounds nasty but, SHOULDNT add Wielding/unwielding into the combo system, as it just seems wrong..

    Should be just wipe/envenom/attack NO one in combat should be switching weapons unless they're changing the route of combat, eg, templar going for maces rather then affs etc as its pretty easy to just unwield/wield as most people dont have weaponbelts so the .4second wielding time will mess up the combo..  just my own personal thought
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    Except Syssin need to switch weapons to flay. Carnifex swap to crush. Mages swap to dagger/damage.  Everyone swaps to weave in shatter.  Etc. Etc. Changing your wield does not mean an entirely new avenue of attack and swapping weapons often is something many classes do.
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • NeithanNeithan Sunspear, the Principality of DorneMember Posts: 84 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    1- Syssin switch their equipment quite a bit in combat. Whip/shield, namely.
    2- Bloodborn switch their scythe and athame, sometimes, you have to re-do a ritual.
    3- Templars switch between cutting and blunt weaponry, as stated.
    4- Carnifex might have to switch to their hammer to crush.

    Also, what do you mean, most people don't have weaponbelts? Every combatant probably has weaponbelts.

    Edit: What Moi said.
  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    Syssin dont NEED to swap... wield a whip and dirk Syssin just CHOOSE to swap completely different...

    Still think the COMBO system shouldn't involve wielding/unwielding as takes half the fun out of playing...
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Syssin audit is built around that shield being there, afaik.
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    Neithan said:

    Also, what do you mean, most people don't have weaponbelts? Every combatant probably has weaponbelts.

    Edit: What Moi said.
    Isn't this combo thing suppose to be easier to get novices/new players into combat?

    The whole point of weaponbelts is to give you no balances used when wielding/unwield so I still dont see why it should be added into a combo ...
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a Syssin fighter who primarily uses whip/dirk without swapping, I can promise you that avenue will leave you dead vs Templar and prae guaranteed.
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  • OleisOleis Producer Emeritus Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,393 admin
    Love of god please stop derailing this thread! <3 I'm not going to include wielding/unwielding in combo commands at this time.

    These suggestions are very helpful so far!
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    [---]
    "^," Slyphe agrees with you.
  • ArekaAreka Drifting in a sea of wenches' bosomsMember, Guildmaster Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2014
    Regarding weapon changing - yes, Templar may swap mid-combat, but keep in mind they can't seamlessly do so unless they have the NEW weapon mastered (1 hour cooldown timer on masteries so that's not likely to come up mid-fight), or they need to have bracers of proficiency or spend 100 lessons to learn a new proficiency. 

    EDIT: >>sorry, didn't finish reading all posts before I posted. 
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  • SaybreSaybre Member Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    Targetting combo. Not necessarily laced into the attack combo (but that'd be nice, more of a pain to code for limb attacks but, helpful)

    But for Doubletarget, a one shot combo for both like TARGET <left> <right> so you can do TARGET LEFT ARM NOTHING or TARGET NOTHING NOTHING, something less clunky, but yeah.

    For Templars to integrate would be nice DSK <target> <empower/envenom> <limb> <empower/envenom> <limb>

    Example

    DSK AREKA TRAUMA LEFT ARM CURARE NOTHING


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  • ArekaAreka Drifting in a sea of wenches' bosomsMember, Guildmaster Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DSW SAYBRE THINGS FACE THINGS MOREFACE
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  • BelgarionBelgarion Member Posts: 42 ✭✭
    Tempest curare
    Zeal target blaze curare prefarar prefarar
    rend target curare


  • FeichinFeichin Member Posts: 26
    Teradrim:

    outr ink/outr ink/earth runemark/sand slice/sand slice/earthwill/terramancy attack

    sand attack/terramancy attack

    earthwill/terramancy attack

    earth runemark/terramancy attack


  • XiuhcoatlXiuhcoatl Member Posts: 248 ✭✭✭
    It would be nice to get a proper working combo command in ferality. So I combo target hamstring left arm rend right arm. The way the combo works right now really makes it a nonviable option for getting around parries. 
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  • NalorNalor UKMember Posts: 774 ✭✭✭
    Xiuhcoatl said:
    It would be nice to get a proper working combo command in ferality. So I combo target hamstring left arm rend right arm. The way the combo works right now really makes it a nonviable option for getting around parries. 
    think he means

    combo xiuh hamstring left rend right - since rend/hamstring are designed only for legs or arms :P
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  • IrruelIrruel Member Posts: 670 ✭✭✭✭

    It would also be nice to

    Combo xiuh claw left leg hamstring right

    Combo xiuh rend left claw right leg

    Combo xiuh rend right throatclaw


    ^basically, to mix and match any claw attack, with individual targeting of limb for each one. Rend can and should be used to disable dual parry. It is the only weakness of dual parry, and was used to justify its existence when it was added and every lycan whined, but combo didn't allow it.





  • OleisOleis Producer Emeritus Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,393 admin
    Irruel said:

    It would also be nice to

    Combo xiuh claw left leg hamstring right

    Combo xiuh rend left claw right leg

    Combo xiuh rend right throatclaw


    ^basically, to mix and match any claw attack, with individual targeting of limb for each one. Rend can and should be used to disable dual parry. It is the only weakness of dual parry, and was used to justify its existence when it was added and every lycan whined, but combo didn't allow it.


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  • SaybreSaybre Member Posts: 283 ✭✭✭
    Hence why I didn't submit my combo report. :) <3 @Oleis and the Admin for the Lycan Revamp...please SOON. (LIKE NAOW)
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