Why did Bloodloch start accepting living players?

edited November 2020 in Echo Canyon
Was it just power gaming or a decline in RP? Or some other reason?

To note, in Imperian they eventually hard-coded a disincentive to have people from other "circles" in cities. This was generally poorly received, I would note two things about that though: (1) the circles thing in Imperian was a big part of debate RP and separating people basically killed the debate, whereas living vs. undead is not a very big debate area. (2) it's probably better to have this kind of thing come from players but there may be subtle mechanical reasons for why such a thing is not materializing. I am not suggesting that a disincentive be coded in but there may be something going on that is not letting people be spicy enough to kick out all of the living players.


  • It happened at the time they forced guild members to be citizens of the guild's home city. And even though Undead aren't zombies, people don't want to play zombies.
    Toz says, "Dishonor on you (Mjoll), dishonor on your family (Seirath), dishonor on your cow (Bulrok)"
  • double post but:
    the game doesn't host 200 players anymore, and shrinking an org because "UNDEAD ONLY" isn't healthy
    Toz says, "Dishonor on you (Mjoll), dishonor on your family (Seirath), dishonor on your cow (Bulrok)"
    Date: 3/4/2002 at 5:22
    From: Emperor Abhorash Nehekhara
    To : Everyone
    Subj: The Acerbus Ferratus

    The Infernals, breaking with Ashtan, have made a monumental move to our
    city. This shifting will bring the city strength and power. This influx
    of new mortals and our current citizenship has led me to make some

    These decisions have led to the creation of the Acerbus Ferratus. This
    shall be organization for mortals within the city, not unlike the
    vampire houses, but not the same as it will host the living _only_. It
    will be the organization to which mortals within Bloodloch who have
    decided not to join a Vampire house, must join. The Infernals will have
    control of the members of their clan, as it is primarily theirs.

    This group shall form a clan, which shall be made democratic to ensure
    its continuing livelihood and strong leadership. There will be an option
    to a Council seat and Ministerial positions. I shall explain in the next

    I will grant unto the Infernals and the Acerbus Ferratus the following

    The leaders of the Infernal guild, including the guildmaster and
    secretaries, and the elected leader of the Acerbus Ferratus shall be
    allowed to post on the news board freely. General mortals in the house,
    as usual, shall not be allowed to do so.

    Enemies of our City shall be theirs, and vice versa.

    The shop of Metias will be awarded to the Clan, in which discounted
    items will be available to all the citizens of Bloodloch.

    All the Infernals will be allied to our City, regardless of their
    residence. They are free to quit the city, without the consequence of
    being enemied. Any hostile actions against the city will result in them
    being enemied.

    Members of the Acerbus Ferratus are no longer servants; they are simply
    citizens, tolerated while living in the same house. I am sure the
    feeling will be reciprocated.

    Mortals of the Acerbus Ferratus can title themselves as they wish, if
    their titles are appropriate. The ruling council shall make judgments on
    this. Within a short time the leadership of the Infernals and the
    Acerbus Ferratus shall construct a titling structure for their members.
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    Emperor Abhorash Nehekhara

    Penned by my hand on the 10th of Severin, in the year 65 MA.

    Probably the most direct answer you'll get.

    Aka things in aetolia changed
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