Crit rate

MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 2014 in Sparring Grounds
Crit rate buffs seem to be stacking rather unimpressively. I might just have repeatedly bad luck, but here's what I'm seeing:

Expected crit rate:
- Endgame base rate: 42% (?)
- Bracers level 2: 4%
- City research bonus: 5%
- Statpack enhancements: 3%
- Grimstim: 5% (?)
- Eggnog: 5% (?)
- Monocle: 5% (???)
Total: 69% (?)

I had bad luck and couldn't get wheel spin.

Actual crit rate:
.:*~*:.C.:*~*:.R.:*~*:.I.:*~*:.T.:*~*:.S.:*~*:.
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* Hits ............................925 100% *
. Normal ..........................377 40.76% .
* Critical ........................225 24.32% *
. Staggering .......................146 15.78% .
* Crushing .........................67 7.24% *
. Mutilating .......................46 4.97% .
* Annihilating .....................64 6.92% *
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* Total hits: 925
. Total criticals: 548
* Crit percentage: 59.24%

Very quickly in, it settled down into a 56% range, until I switched to Arbothia and Teshen, at which point it bounced up to 59%ish. Do different target types affect the rate?

Am I having terribad luck? Do I have some numbers really really wrong? Are certain buffs not applying right? Share your own rates, maybe? I really wish that crit rate was displayed in AUDIT. Report 1740!
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm, after like 300-400 hits on Teshen, my rate spiked up to over 70%. As soon as I left and went to Nal'jin, within 100 hits it's already dropped about 4%.

    I'm wondering if the thing you are hitting matters for rate? Or maybe there is some weird thing at play with combos? The Teshen I nearly all killed in 1/2 of a SSL combo.
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • AlexinaAlexina the Haunted Soul Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2014
    When calculating crit rate, I wouldn't really rely on statistics unless they were in the range of tens of thousand attacks because I've seen some pretty big variations as well.

    EDIT:
    I found this table on the old Achaean forums. I assume we use the same numbers for crit chance. 'Gain' is how much your crit chance improved from your last level.

    TABLE
    Level 01: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 02: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 03: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 04: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 05: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 06: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 07: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 08: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 09: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 10: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 11: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 12: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 13: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 14: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 15: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 16: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 17: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 18: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 19: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 20: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 21: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 22: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 23: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 24: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 25: 00.0000% (L1: 2.0) (L2: 4.0) (L3: 6.0) Gain: (0.0000)
    Level 26: 00.0001% (L1: 2.0001) (L2: 4.0001) (L3: 6.0001) Gain: (0.0001)
    Level 27: 00.0008% (L1: 2.0008) (L2: 4.0008) (L3: 6.0008) Gain: (0.0007)
    Level 28: 00.0027% (L1: 2.0027) (L2: 4.0027) (L3: 6.0027) Gain: (0.0019)
    Level 29: 00.0064% (L1: 2.0064) (L2: 4.0064) (L3: 6.0064) Gain: (0.0037)
    Level 30: 00.0125% (L1: 2.0125) (L2: 4.0125) (L3: 6.0125) Gain: (0.0061)
    Level 31: 00.0216% (L1: 2.0216) (L2: 4.0216) (L3: 6.0216) Gain: (0.0091)
    Level 32: 00.0343% (L1: 2.0343) (L2: 4.0343) (L3: 6.0343) Gain: (0.0127)
    Level 33: 00.0512% (L1: 2.0512) (L2: 4.0512) (L3: 6.0512) Gain: (0.0169)
    Level 34: 00.0729% (L1: 2.0729) (L2: 4.0729) (L3: 6.0729) Gain: (0.0217)
    Level 35: 00.1000% (L1: 2.1000) (L2: 4.1000) (L3: 6.1000) Gain: (0.0271)
    Level 36: 00.1331% (L1: 2.1331) (L2: 4.1331) (L3: 6.1331) Gain: (0.0331)
    Level 37: 00.1728% (L1: 2.1728) (L2: 4.1728) (L3: 6.1728) Gain: (0.0397)
    Level 38: 00.2197% (L1: 2.2197) (L2: 4.2197) (L3: 6.2197) Gain: (0.0469)
    Level 39: 00.2744% (L1: 2.2744) (L2: 4.2744) (L3: 6.2744) Gain: (0.0547)
    Level 40: 00.3375% (L1: 2.3375) (L2: 4.3375) (L3: 6.3375) Gain: (0.0631)
    Level 41: 00.4096% (L1: 2.4096) (L2: 4.4096) (L3: 6.4096) Gain: (0.0721)
    Level 42: 00.4913% (L1: 2.4913) (L2: 4.4913) (L3: 6.4913) Gain: (0.0817)
    Level 43: 00.5832% (L1: 2.5832) (L2: 4.5832) (L3: 6.5832) Gain: (0.0919)
    Level 44: 00.6859% (L1: 2.6859) (L2: 4.6859) (L3: 6.6859) Gain: (0.1027)
    Level 45: 00.8000% (L1: 2.8000) (L2: 4.8000) (L3: 6.8000) Gain: (0.1141)
    Level 46: 00.9261% (L1: 2.9261) (L2: 4.9261) (L3: 6.9261) Gain: (0.1261)
    Level 47: 01.0648% (L1: 3.0648) (L2: 5.0648) (L3: 7.0648) Gain: (0.1387)
    Level 48: 01.2167% (L1: 3.2167) (L2: 5.2167) (L3: 7.2167) Gain: (0.1519)
    Level 49: 01.3824% (L1: 3.3824) (L2: 5.3824) (L3: 7.3824) Gain: (0.1657)
    Level 50: 01.5625% (L1: 3.5625) (L2: 5.5625) (L3: 7.5625) Gain: (0.1801)
    Level 51: 01.7576% (L1: 3.7576) (L2: 5.7576) (L3: 7.7576) Gain: (0.1951)
    Level 52: 01.9683% (L1: 3.9683) (L2: 5.9683) (L3: 7.9683) Gain: (0.2107)
    Level 53: 02.1952% (L1: 4.1952) (L2: 6.1952) (L3: 8.1952) Gain: (0.2269)
    Level 54: 02.4389% (L1: 4.4389) (L2: 6.4389) (L3: 8.4389) Gain: (0.2437)
    Level 55: 02.7000% (L1: 4.7000) (L2: 6.7000) (L3: 8.7000) Gain: (0.2611)
    Level 56: 02.9791% (L1: 4.9791) (L2: 6.9791) (L3: 8.9791) Gain: (0.2791)
    Level 57: 03.2768% (L1: 5.2768) (L2: 7.2768) (L3: 9.2768) Gain: (0.2977)
    Level 58: 03.5937% (L1: 5.5937) (L2: 7.5937) (L3: 9.5937) Gain: (0.3169)
    Level 59: 03.9304% (L1: 5.9304) (L2: 7.9304) (L3: 9.9304) Gain: (0.3367)
    Level 60: 04.2875% (L1: 6.2875) (L2: 8.2875) (L3: 10.2875) Gain: (0.3571)
    Level 61: 04.6656% (L1: 6.6656) (L2: 8.6656) (L3: 10.6656) Gain: (0.3781)
    Level 62: 05.0653% (L1: 7.0653) (L2: 9.0653) (L3: 11.0653) Gain: (0.3997)
    Level 63: 05.4872% (L1: 7.4872) (L2: 9.4872) (L3: 11.4872) Gain: (0.4219)
    Level 64: 05.9319% (L1: 7.9319) (L2: 9.9319) (L3: 11.9319) Gain: (0.4447)
    Level 65: 06.4000% (L1: 8.4000) (L2: 10.400) (L3: 12.4000) Gain: (0.4681)
    Level 66: 06.8921% (L1: 8.8921) (L2: 10.8921) (L3: 12.8921) Gain: (0.4921)
    Level 67: 07.4088% (L1: 9.4088) (L2: 11.4088) (L3: 13.4088) Gain: (0.5167)
    Level 68: 07.9507% (L1: 9.9507) (L2: 11.9507) (L3: 13.9507) Gain: (0.5419)
    Level 69: 08.5184% (L1: 10.5184) (L2: 12.5184) (L3: 14.5184) Gain: (0.5677)
    Level 70: 09.1125% (L1: 11.1125) (L2: 13.1125) (L3: 15.1125) Gain: (0.5941)
    Level 71: 09.7336% (L1: 11.7336) (L2: 13.7336) (L3: 15.7336) Gain: (0.6211)
    Level 72: 10.3823% (L1: 12.3823) (L2: 14.3823) (L3: 16.3823) Gain: (0.6487)
    Level 73: 11.0592% (L1: 13.0592) (L2: 15.0592) (L3: 17.0592) Gain: (0.6769)
    Level 74: 11.7649% (L1: 13.7649) (L2: 15.7649) (L3: 17.7649) Gain: (0.7057)
    Level 75: 12.5000% (L1: 14.5000) (L2: 16.5000) (L3: 18.5000) Gain: (0.7351)
    Level 76: 13.2651% (L1: 15.2651) (L2: 17.2651) (L3: 19.2651) Gain: (0.7651)
    Level 77: 14.0608% (L1: 16.0608) (L2: 18.0608) (L3: 20.0608) Gain: (0.7957)
    Level 78: 14.8877% (L1: 16.8877) (L2: 18.8877) (L3: 20.8877) Gain: (0.8269)
    Level 79: 15.7464% (L1: 17.7464) (L2: 19.7464) (L3: 21.7464) Gain: (0.8587)
    Level 80: 16.6375% (L1: 18.6375) (L2: 20.6375) (L3: 22.6375) Gain: (0.8911)
    Level 81: 17.5616% (L1: 19.5616) (L2: 21.5616) (L3: 23.5616) Gain: (0.9241)
    Level 82: 18.5193% (L1: 20.5193) (L2: 22.5193) (L3: 24.5193) Gain: (0.9577)
    Level 83: 19.5112% (L1: 21.5112) (L2: 23.5112) (L3: 25.5112) Gain: (0.9919)
    Level 84: 20.5379% (L1: 22.5379) (L2: 24.5379) (L3: 26.5379) Gain: (1.0267)
    Level 85: 21.6000% (L1: 23.6000) (L2: 25.6000) (L3: 27.6000) Gain: (1.0621)
    Level 86: 22.6981% (L1: 24.6981) (L2: 26.6981) (L3: 28.6981) Gain: (1.0981)
    Level 87: 23.8328% (L1: 25.8328) (L2: 27.8328) (L3: 29.8328) Gain: (1.1347)
    Level 88: 25.0047% (L1: 27.0047) (L2: 29.0047) (L3: 31.0047) Gain: (1.1719)
    Level 89: 26.2144% (L1: 28.2144) (L2: 30.2144) (L3: 32.2144) Gain: (1.2097)
    Level 90: 27.4625% (L1: 29.4625) (L2: 31.4625) (L3: 33.4625) Gain: (1.2481)
    Level 91: 28.7496% (L1: 30.7496) (L2: 32.7496) (L3: 34.7496) Gain: (1.2871)
    Level 92: 30.0763% (L1: 32.0763) (L2: 34.0763) (L3: 36.0763) Gain: (1.3267)
    Level 93: 31.4432% (L1: 33.4432) (L2: 35.4432) (L3: 37.4432) Gain: (1.3669)
    Level 94: 32.8509% (L1: 34.8509) (L2: 36.8509) (L3: 38.8509) Gain: (1.4077)
    Level 95: 34.3000% (L1: 36.3000) (L2: 38.3000) (L3: 40.3000) Gain: (1.4491)
    Level 96: 35.7911% (L1: 37.7911) (L2: 39.7911) (L3: 41.7911) Gain: (1.4911)
    Level 97: 37.3248% (L1: 39.3248) (L2: 41.3248) (L3: 43.3248) Gain: (1.5337)
    Level 98: 38.9017% (L1: 40.9017) (L2: 42.9017) (L3: 44.9017) Gain: (1.5769)
    Level 99: 40.5224% (L1: 42.5224) (L2: 44.5224) (L3: 46.5224) Gain: (1.6207)
    Level 100: 42.1875% (L1: 44.1875) (L2: 46.1875) (L3: 48.1875) Gain: (1.6651)

    EDIT2:
    Why can't we change the font on the forums anymore? This is a bit annoying. Here's the link http://www.achaea.com/forum/critical-hit-guide.
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, with things like eggnog and wheel spin buff, it's going to fluctuate before you get to 10s of thousands.
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • AlexinaAlexina the Haunted Soul Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You have scored 46522 critical strikes!
    You have scored 26708 staggering critical strikes!
    You have scored 15493 crushing critical strikes!
    You have scored 9140 mutilating critical strikes!
    You have scored 12463 annihilating criticals!
    You have scored 110326 total criticals in a total of 158608 attacks!
    Your current critical strike rate is 69.56%!

    I have a level 4 crit bracer, the ylem bonus, and I occasionally use grimstims/hunt in areas with the compendium crit bonus. Also, not sure if I ever swapped class to bash in a class where I wasn't tracking the attack message and it just let the crits tick up. Fairly sure these numbers are pretty accurate, though.
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  • AlexinaAlexina the Haunted Soul Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2014
    After resetting all my variables and bashing for a bit, I am getting a much lower crit percentage than before:

    You have scored 97 critical strikes!
    You have scored 72 staggering critical strikes!
    You have scored 38 crushing critical strikes!
    You have scored 20 mutilating critical strikes!
    You have scored 34 annihilating criticals!
    You have scored 261 total criticals in a total of 522 attacks!
    Your current critical strike rate is 50.00%!

    My crit bonuses would be artifact (8%), research bonus (5%), augmetics (3%), as well as however much the monocle relic provides. This should add up to at least 58% plus however much the relic bonus is. Seems to be pretty off to me. Seems to have balanced out after continuing bashing:

    You have scored 1632 critical strikes!
    You have scored 940 staggering critical strikes!
    You have scored 528 crushing critical strikes!
    You have scored 348 mutilating critical strikes!
    You have scored 479 annihilating criticals!
    You have scored 3927 total criticals in a total of 6708 attacks!
    Your current critical strike rate is 58.54%!

    Post edited by Alexina on
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  • GwenithGwenith ✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 487 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2014
    Going to hunt without any optional buffs until 1) I level up or 2) I get about 8k hits. Just so we can see a 'baseline'. Then I'll smash different buffs and try and get similiar numbers to see how it compares.

    (Edit: If a monkey type triple hitter were to do this this would be a lot faster hint hint)

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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right, now that we have this in audit:

    Expected crit rate:
    - Endgame base rate: 42%
    - Bracers level 2: 4%
    - City research bonus: 5%
    - Statpack enhancements: 3%
    - Monocle: 2.5%
    Total: 56.5%

    - Grimstim: (?)
    - Wheel bonus: (?)
    Audit display: 62.73%

    So either grimstim is less than the 5% we all believe it is, or both grim and wheel are only like 3%?
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • AlexinaAlexina the Haunted Soul Member Posts: 851 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2014
    Grimstim bumped my crit by 2%.

    +-- Resistances ------------------------+-- Avoidance -------------------------+
    Cutting | 30% 0% 60% 50% Dodge Chance | 18% 20%
    Blunt | 40% 0% 73% 61% Divert Chance | 35% 35%
    Magic | 36% 24% 0% 50% Divert Block | 33% 33%
    Fire | 36% 24% 0% 50%
    Cold | 31% 24% 0% 47% +-- Miscellaneous ---------------------+
    Electric | 21% 24% 0% 40% Experience Bonus | 335%
    Poison | 30% 24% 0% 46% Crit. Chance | 62.73%
    Psychic | 10% 24% 0% 32%
    Aspyxiation | 20% 24% 0% 39%
    +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
    Resistances: Defences, Miniskills, Armour
    Avoidance: PvP, PvE
    +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
    EDIT: I really liked before when we could just switch the font with a button and it'd keep all the spacing and whatnot. Someone broke the forums.

    /sadface
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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember, Newbie Helper, Guildmaster Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eggnog buff is only 1% it turns out. Sadface.
    The Divine voice of Razmael echoes in your head, "God of imps."
    Eugenides says to you, "Imp, Are you sure you were not born a Troll?"
    The Divine voice of Arion echoes in your head, "Every time I try to punish you for being so flippant, I find Myself laughing instead."
    Hugo has expressed his esteem of you for the following reason: Being a badass leader.
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  • AmberleaAmberlea ✭✭✭ Member Posts: 148 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure if either of your scripts are calculating your crit chances right. As I understand it, the way it works is this:

    You attack, there is a chance to crit. If you successfully crit it makes another crit check to upgrade to the next crit level. Repeat until it fails to upgrade to the next level or you hit annihilating.

    So, it looks like you guys are counting annihilating crits as a single crit, when really that's five successful crit rolls stacked on top of each other. If so, you should calculate:
    Normal hits as 1 roll, 0 successes
    Critical strikes as 2 rolls, 1 success
    Staggering as 3 rolls, 2 successes
    Crushing as 4 rolls, 3 successes
    Mutilating as 5 rolls, 4 successes
    Annihilating as 5 rolls, 5 successes

    I could be totally wrong, just feel like somebody told me this is how it worked a long time ago.
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  • RasharRashar ✭✭✭✭✭ Member Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somebody a long time ago told me pouring rubbing alcohol in cuts was good for cleaning them out!

    Then a surgeon told me that tap water works just as well.
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