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SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
So I am dabbling in Aetolia. I came over from Avalon and I am really liking the skillset of Syssin. My main concern is that I can't code for toffee yet everyone I have spoken to suggests you need complex coding systems for decent pk play. In Avalon I exist on triggers and aliases mainly long handing a lot of stuff and I get by decently. My question is whether it is worth keeping going in Aetolia when my ability to code is non existent?

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  • SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
    No idea how this became a main thread! Sorry!
  • ValingarValingar Member Posts: 314 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    I'm going to be honest, even if you get a defensive system someone else made (there are quite a few available), I feel you need at least some understanding or willingess to learn scripting for top tier PK. That said, I wouldn't be too intimidated by it. You don't need any previous knowledge, there are a lot of people around who tend to be willing to teach - and what you do need to learn is fairly basic.

    Syssin or venom-based classes in general may not be the best for manual use. I personally think limb classes (Zealot, Shapeshifter, Teradrim and Monk) are probably better if you don't want to automate any parts of your offense, or even something like Shaman or one of the mage classes. They are some bit more forgiving since you're not aiming for precise affliction locks and you can even manually watch what your enemy cures, if you're very sharp.

    If you're willing to ignore 1vs1 combat, though, and focus on group combat, you can likely get by decently as a Syssin even without investing in learning to script offenses. Syssin has a lot of escapes and is very mobile. You can snipe paralysis or sensitivity arrows as syssin and abduct key individuals, even without any offenses whatsoever. This can be very useful for your group.

    Tldr, I feel it's definitely worth keeping going. A few triggers can be all you need in a group. Getting involved in leyline fights is a great way to get a feel for group combat. You should definitely ask your city about those.
    Ashmer
  • IshinIshin Retired Lurker VirginiaMember Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2014
    Valingar more or less has said the most of it, Soph. I know several of us have been working with you a lot, and that's because we'd like to see new people stay. Especially in the Syssin! The tricky part of fighting 1v1 in-room as a Syssin is tracking afflictions, knowing which ones to apply, so on and so forth. It can get somewhat complicated at the way high stages, but even I started down at the bottom, and I like to think I'm probably the second best Syssin atm.

    Valingar also brings up a good point about group fights and lesser leylines. Having Syssin to snipe and support your group is incredibly useful, and I know that probably a third of the time I do Lessers, I just stand by and snipe with @Lyl if she comes. One archer isn't usually too bad, but two or three and things start getting tricksy for whoever you're shooting. :)


    Edit: For grammarrrrrrr T_T
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  • IlyonIlyon Member Posts: 746 ✭✭✭
    As others have said, it really depends on what you want to be doing in PK. For group combat (foci and stuff), aliases and triggers will be enough if you get a defensive system from somewhere. For dueling, you'll likely need more than that, but it depends on class - syssin is one of the harder classes to be good at in 1v1, but team stuff can be much easier to start in.

    IshinXavin
  • PerilunaPeriluna Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow - it's been so long since I've heard anyone talk about Avalon. Brings back good memories of when Avalon was actually fun to play. 
    Moirean
  • SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
    Thank you all so much for such quick and helpful responses! I have really appreciated all the help and support that I have had from Ishin and you all so far. It is evident that Aetolia is highly professional and well-run, which is a huge draw. On the back of all of your comments, I will definitely give it a go, hopefully starting with group fights - I am more than happy to put in the grunt work, I was more concerned as to whether it was actually feasible to learn!

    It is so lovely to know that there is such a supportive community out there and especially an admin who listens to the player-base and also that so many people are willing to answer what will I have no doubt will be a great many questions!!! Moirean - thanks so much for your post as well, asit really helped see where the differences lie and why coding is something I need think toabout learning. (And also, I have read a number of your other posts that have been profoundly useful - I already nicked your aliases for weapon wielding and poisoning!)

    Are there specific coding systems that I can purchase to use with CMUD? If I wanted to get hold of an easy to use, basic curing system, where would I start? (Does something like this even exist?!). I love fighting for the fun of it and am not too fussed about dominating or being a top ranked fighter - just to get to a point where I can have a decent spar and be a worthy opponent, as well as have some fun in the process.

    Thanks again for all your help - it really is appreciated!
    IshinIosyne
  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer LifeMember Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would recommend switching over to Mudlet in this case - I could write a thing about it, but it's by far and away best capable of handling what everyone else is talking about here. There are also several systems available, or soon to be available (shameless plug for Serenity here), that are specific to Mudlet.

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    open hand or closed fist would be fine

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  • PerilunaPeriluna Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭✭
    Gonna have to disagree on that, but if you want to stick with MUD then I'd recommend starting out with the system @Daskalos put on here. I'm on my phone right now so can't link the thread, but it's called The Duckie System.
  • PerilunaPeriluna Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭✭
    My phone won't let me edit. That's suppose to be "if you want to stick with CMUD"
  • SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
    Thanks Periluna, I'm on it!
  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, please stop pushing mudlet so hard, just for everyone in general. I know people think it's a superior client, but what we have here is someone who's new to Aet and is comfortable using CMUD. Hook her up with a basic CMUD system to tide her over while she learns the basics of Aetolia. I keep seeing people push brand new players to pick up brand new clients as well and imho it's terrible for retention. There is only so much new stuff someone can handle at a time before it becomes overwhelming and stressful.
    TragerDaskalosTeaniXavin
  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer LifeMember Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You make a damn fine point. I will instead wave my Mudlet flag at senior players that are still using cMUD.










    Hey, Moirean, have you heard the Word of Mudlet yet?

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  • MoireanMoirean Chairmander PortlandMember Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Someone needs to stay on CMUD to help the converts from other games. :P
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  • AshmerAshmer Barefoot Adventurer LifeMember Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Omei, @Maghak is competing for your throne.


    Seriously I laughed out loud. That's the best.

    the way she tells me I'm hers and she is mine

    open hand or closed fist would be fine

    blood as rare and sweet as cherry wine

    Maghak
  • SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
    Does anyone know if Duckie is designed to be used in conjunction with firstaid or without?
  • DaskalosDaskalos Credit Whore Extraordinare Rolling amongst piles of credits.Member Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without. It's a firstaid replacement meant to tick at real time versus the delayed timing of FirstAid.

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    Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis           Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
    "If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."

  • SophastraSophastra Member Posts: 11
    Thanks - just got it downloaded (with a bit of help!) and am having a lot of fun playing around with it. Really appreciate the effort gone into putting this onto the forum, as I think it will really make a difference in helping me get to grips with things. Already noticing the difference versus firstaid - far more efficient! Thanks again.
  • DaskalosDaskalos Credit Whore Extraordinare Rolling amongst piles of credits.Member Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're welcome! If you optimize it and want to share it, feel free to put it as a link on the forums as well for others.

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    Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis           Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
    "If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."

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