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What do you think about AAVE-- African American Vernacular English, being used by white people?
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Here's a solid quote: "Critics allege that majority groups use practices of color-blindness as a means of avoiding the topic of racism and accusations of racial discrimination..."
And that's exactly what's happening right now. You said something I thought was racist, I called it out, and you brought up color blindness.
lmgtfy
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Edit: Nor is there anything wrong about using that sort of language for RP purposes.
But all in all its the queers who really grind my gears. (Especially the Black ones)
NOT REALLY...
People need to uh...stop trying to represent other groups, its kinda ridiculous when people feel entitled to defend things, its like a subconscious trigger to protect some sort of deeply ingrained insecurity of their own discomfort.
NOTE: I forgot where I was going on this rant, been up 36 hours.
Simmah down, that is a good start on the protect the discomforts talk.
For example, someone who grows up in culture A can say pretty much whatever he wants to anyone else from culture A. Nobody gets offended. It's just how people talk. But that person from culture A talks like that to someone from culture B, and suddenly the shit has hit the fan.
I've been called plenty of names plenty of times, and I don't really find any of them particularly offensive.
I mean, if someone drops the n-word on someone that it's clearly going to offend for whatever reason, yeah. Shame on him. If he uses it because it's part of his every-day mode of speech, and someone gets offended...shame on you for letting it hurt you.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
If I call my friend a nerd (let's play forum filter friendly!), that has certain connotations/meanings/intentions behind it. I'm joking, it's not got any bite to it.
If I point at some random scrawny kid in a bar and call him a nerd, that's got a whole 'nother load of meaning.
Similarly? If I drop the n-word on a friend who's black, that's one thing. If I start yelling about how n-words are ruining the world in public, that's a whole 'nother can of beans (and racist).
Thirdly, if I want to speak Gullah, or Spanish, or communicate in binary, how're you going to tell me that I'm doing it wrong because of the color of my skin? How does that even have any bearing at all? I wasn't aware language/dialect was color-coded.
I also think that line dancing and hooting and all of that Texas/Rancher stuff is a hugely borrowed culture from latinos: Country music, cowboy booys, pearl snap shirts with southwestern designs. I'm from a ranch/rodeo family, and I feel like I grew up with that understanding. Again, I think this is false equivalence.
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Wat?
If you find yourself agreeing with the Klan on racial issues, it might be time to re-examine what you're saying. I know you think you're being enlightened about these cultural issues, but that's your argument. "Black culture is for blacks". Congratulations. You're using a racial separatist argument.
Someone who is part-black/part-white and a linguistics student sharing their views as it relates to their experiences: darthveghder.tumblr.com/post/8812917295/dialectal-privilege
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No one has the right to tell anyone else how to act, so long as it doesn't harm them directly, and I'm for goddamned sure saying 'only these people are allowed to behave this way' is a right no one has over another. Barring maybe your own children, while they are children.
My opinion isn't shared by the Klan, and jumping to that is pretty extreme and laughable. I have zero ambition to segregate white and black people further. I honestly can't believe I'm having to defend myself after being accused of being KKK sympathetic in response to me calling out racism. This is so out of proportion and skews everything I was saying so far. This thread isn't going to go anywhere.
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If others don’t speak it, it remains “the way black people talk”, and in addition to the already-present racism, people continue to think of it as simply wrong, including the native speakers.
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The 2nd to last line from the blog quoted. I agree with it entirely - if you want to talk like that, the color of your skin should have 0 bearing on it.
It's no different from people trying to change how they talk in any of the other countless ways - as a personal example? I take pains to NOT talk with the deep South accent I started with, because I don't like how it sounds. I try to enunciate a bit more cleanly, and I only twang when I'm tired. If you want to drawl and sound like that, I don't care if you're from the North, be it just above the Mason-Dixon or North Korea - go for it. If I want to talk jive, I'm gonna talk jive, and unicorns anyone who tries to tell me I don't have the 'right' to talk that way, or any way, just because I'm white, or black, or green, or yellow, or orange or tickle-me-pink.
EDIT: (Not deleting anything, adding more!)
Your argument, @Samp, is that because a 'black person' might find it offensive, you can't do it. That's a poor argument. Breakdown of this statement:
- Racial features have no bearing on judging moral rightness/wrongness
- Skin color also has no bearing on how much being offended counts for.
--A white person can be offended by racially charged language just as much as a black person can
--Similarly, it's irritating that something that was done by 'my' race years ago to 'their' race years ago, long before I was even born, is used to dictate what is and is not appropriate for me to say/do. Father's side? Too poor to own slaves. Mother's side? Came to 'murica in the 50's and so far as I'm aware, the slavery issue over there's got nada to do with skin color.
---In the words of Shaggy, 'It wasn't me'. So please quit restricting me/treating me like it is, because I am/am not a certain color. There is absolutely no logical reason that can be provided for it, and it does in fact make the problem of racism WORSE by establishing a them vs us dynamic, when there isn't really a need for it.
What I originally said on shunt was just asking if anyone else thought this was happening, and it immediately snowballed into this GIANT THING.
The other thing that's kind of blowing my mind, is that I never said I was offended or upset. These emotions are 100% projected onto me. I agree it's gross to be offended or upset on behalf of someone else, and I work not to do that.
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