Mafia: The Return of Ashtan

Periluna · August 2013

This sucks

Toz · August 2013

2 left means we have have to make these two days count, especially this vote. IF we manage to hit a baddie today, then the best bet is to have the Bahkatu's name revealed before the night round's over, so we are sure who a confirmed 'good guy' is for the next round, letting us keep our edge. It might in fact be better to have the Bahkatu revealed regardless, just so we've got a spare leader kicking around, right?

EDIT: Actually there's 3 of them left, since there's 2 Marz and 1 Polemarch. Meaning we have to get 3 still, meaning the numbers are all kinds of fun. Erk- someone want to double-check that count?

Aryanne · August 2013

Yeah, I asked at the beginning, he's not counting the polemarch as a marzpawn, so there's three baddies left.

That really sounds like a terrible idea to me, Toz. If we reveal who the bahkatu is, then THAT is who will probably be targetted the following round and in two rounds we'll be out of power roles!

We do still have Teani as a pretty-confirmed lifer (and possibly whoever was sniffed last night, but as our numbers diminish the chances of new sniffs being framed is increasing drastically, so I'm less confident about the newer targets). Moi was suggesting we be suspicious of Teani until Omei said she sniffed in the clear, so I have a hard time imagining she did that right after a frame job. So, if Omei/bahkatu are comfortable with it, we could just as well give the identity of the bear to Teani and let her be the voice of the sniff. It might put Teani in immediate danger, but if the mafia is going to lynch SOMEONE, it would help if that someone wasn't the remaining power role. And they might not go for Teani if they're trying to hit the bear anyway.

Alternatively, the Bahkatu could still give a PM and post the results anonymously to us. That's not as reliable as the other option, of course, but since we still need a MINUMUM of two more lynches, it'd be better than them being pretty guaranteedly two nights from now.

Toz · August 2013

No way that the Bahkatu role doesn't get counter-claimed. Anon messages will fly as soon as Omei goes down, rendering the Bahkatu pretty useless. There's no way to confirm who the 'good guy' is once she's out, so we'd have 1 round of 'safe' voting without rampant paranoia with Omei keeping quiet, at least we'd have a leader for 2 days instead of chaos after one.

Aryanne · August 2013

Yes, but if we use Teani or some other semi-confirmed citizen as a go-between, then we can probably save the bahkatu a bit longer. I realize there is no 100% "sure"-ness on Teani's legitly-citizen-ness, but like I said, it would be if the actual power roles are comfortable with her innocence and up to them. it just sounds a lot better to me than sacrificing the bahkatu for -sure- in just two rounds from now

Omei · August 2013

As a dead Goddess walking...

...we have sniffed out Toz as innocent.

I leave the rest in your hands.

Llok · August 2013

Haven't you got two kills Omei?

Meskhenet · August 2013

She has one.. One left, that is.

Llok · August 2013

So who should she use it on? This round has to be a double whammy!

Omei · August 2013

I'll think about it during the night round - I've let Aldric know I'm considering. I'm waiting until I have as much information as possible before I use it, which is why I'm mostly hanging back and watching you all in this day round. I want to see what you do without my input.

Teani · August 2013

If the bear is comfortable relying on me I'll accept messages, but I would need confirmation from Omei about the name.

Also, I would advise keeping this round going for a while since I'll be on a flight / on the road until late (Europe time). Keep to Omei!

Llok · August 2013

I'm going to have to wait. Can't do much from my phone and then I will go through the game and see what's been said.

Eek

Meskhenet · August 2013

It is the quiet people now, that are drawing the most interest to me. Etrigen. Macavity. Not really said much, other than to vote.

And when previously called to explain their silence, we were met with either non-answers, or silence.

That bugs me.

Etrigan · August 2013

@Meskhenet: Ask all you want. We are all doomed anyway.

I still think Toz is extremely suspicious.

Macavity · August 2013

ok here is the list of those that Moirean pointed out and where they fell as she voted and continued to push the citizens to kill their own...

moirean pointed fingers at:

-Xenia

-Vharen (voted for lynching, dided confirmed citizen)

-Minarael (voted for lynching, dided confirmed citizen)

-Aryanne

-Macavity

-Llok (voted for lynching)

-Etrigan

-Toz (sniffed as confirmed innocent)

-Piper

-Aren (voted for lynching, died confirmed citizen)

-Teani (sniffed as innocent posted by Omei)

Moirean thinks are innocent:

-Draiman (killed, was Ascendril)

-Meskhenet

Not on List:

Omei (but confirmed safe already)

Periluna

Since I honestly believe that the mafia would not finger one of their own and would try to keep the conversations off the main person I am going to say that Meskhenet is mafia and not only mafia but the head bad guy in this ordeal!!

VOTE: Meskhenet

Piper · August 2013

My concern with the Bahkatu roleclaiming is that we could all just be sending him to someone that the Polemarch wants and is hiding or the Polemarch, himself. Just because they sniffed innocent doesn't mean they're actually a citizen.

For that reason, it could be a good idea to roleclaim to someone that's noisy, yes, dramatic, very yes, but clearly a citizen even without the sniff. Someone like @Llok.

Then again, that could be part of their plan, too.

Etrigan · August 2013

@Macavity has a good point. Mafia defending Mafia.

VOTE: Meskhenet

Piper · August 2013

Alright, I'll jump on the train since it does make sense.

VOTE MESKHENET

Toz · August 2013

See now I'm pretty wary of Macavity/Etrigan/Piper. The two quiet guys see Moirean defend 2 people, one of whom is a citizen (and the Ascendril) for a 50% lifer protect ratio and assume the other MUST be a Mafia, despite no pattern that says so. And they're unusually quick to group up as well, plus they like to lurk on bandwagons - Macavity and Etrigan, anyhow. With Piper being pretty quiet as well.

Periluna · August 2013

I'm with Toz on this one. All three of you have been quiet until now. Hm. Three. Aren't there three baddies left?

Aryanne · August 2013

Last round, Moi was going out and I'm sure she knew she was doomed, she started pointing the finger at Llok. I've been suspicious of Llok for awhile more recently now, and even though maybe she thought she actually had a chance to stem the flow of the lynch tide, I really think she must have known she was going down and pointing her finger wildly, with great "explanation" at her fellow mafia in order to lower his suspicion in the next round.

Also: Since according to your list there, the only other person she defended was a lifer and the only other known mafioso is in her "pointing fingers at" list, it definitely sounds more like we should be drawing our sources from that list. She was a smart player, I definitely hadn't fingered her for baddie particularly. I highly doubt she'd have only defended one person the whole game (Draiman really doesn't count, since he was a "confirmed" to everyone ELSE lifer) and that one person just happened to be her fellow baddie? Eh. I just don't see it.

Personally, my eyes are still on

VOTE LLOK

He aggressively campaigned for Aren's lynching, with really very little evidence, a confirmed citizen, has been generally disruptive and unhelpful pretty much the entire game, even SAID that part of his "goal" in this was to draw attention away from the people who were trying to be helpful.

Periluna · August 2013

That being said... I've been suspicious of Macavity for quite a while...

VOTE: MACAVITY

Llok · August 2013

Well this is going to hell in a handbasket very quickly. (Is that the right term?)

Aryanne, I ask you then... why they killed Dem(the jerk who was arguing with me a lot) like they did? Is it a tripple bluff?

Piper · August 2013

Me? Quiet? I've been talking up a storm, last I checked. Also, if you'd note, I did not switch my vote off of Llok like a good chunk of you did.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty much suspicious of Aryanne and have been for a bit. Honestly, like I said before, as well, even the ones proven 'innocent' might be the scummy Polemarch. Keep that in mind.

Llok · August 2013

So we need to decide two things in the day...

The best bet for an Omei kill and the best lynch decision.

How do we want to do it?

Periluna · August 2013

Piper has a great point. I highly doubt the Polemarch would protect any of the Marzpawns (as they were obviously not protecting Moi who is well-known as being pretty unicornsing good at this game) over themselves. So -any- of the confirmed lifers could be the Polemarch.

Meskhenet · August 2013

Then we must have different kinds of storms that you do, Piper.

Amazing, how you just jumped on yet another train with little of your own logic to support it.

Aryanne · August 2013

Llok said:

Well this is going to hell in a handbasket very quickly. (Is that the right term?)

Aryanne, I ask you then... why they killed Dem(the jerk who was arguing with me a lot) like they did? Is it a tripple bluff?

Really? There's a lot of question as to why mafia would kill off a citizen who was highly suspicious of them and waving their arms and trying to get them lynched? Sounds like exactly who they'd try to silence.

How is that in any way a bluff?

Llok · August 2013

Maybe I should put it down to inexperience then. In the past when we saw two civilians arguing in a round and accusing each other, we'd kill one in the night round.

I put it to you that Moi was critical of me on a number of occasions. She tried to bandwagon on me. The mafia killed someone who was very vocal about me being 'guilty' to imply that I would do it. Moi used me as a last ditch effort (I was a popular train after all) (And I did kind of derail that Aren train) to divert from her own train.

And that, personal opinions of me aside, is too much.

Omei on a number of occasions has asked people to not focus on me because I think she figured out that I react to it heavily and it's a never ending spiral.

EDIT: Spell check

Toz · August 2013

I'm tossing my vote in at Vote: Macavity as well. He and Petri are bandwagon-y and kind of quiet. As for Piper maybe I am just missing posts and thinking she is being skulky. buuuut I find it hard to explain how Mac and Etri hop on trains real quiet-like...

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