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Re: Townhall Part 1
If you read the log of the townhall, you would see that Tiur went and said that there is probably going to be no support for rogues. So I wouldn't expect any sort of RP to enhance rogue roles or even support rogues.
Reason being it because each side conflict with each other. A rogue provides nothing more than a punching bag for both sides, while at the same time, offering up no lore or true RP to the mix. They have no goal other than 'Oh hey, in what way can I be a dick?' or 'Hrm. I'm just going to mind my own business'.
Rogues should face a malus because (As a player) you are disregarding all form of lore to subject your character to whims because you don't want to play nice with cities. That's fine. You get to suffer the consequences and the lack of abilities for it.
Reason being it because each side conflict with each other. A rogue provides nothing more than a punching bag for both sides, while at the same time, offering up no lore or true RP to the mix. They have no goal other than 'Oh hey, in what way can I be a dick?' or 'Hrm. I'm just going to mind my own business'.
Rogues should face a malus because (As a player) you are disregarding all form of lore to subject your character to whims because you don't want to play nice with cities. That's fine. You get to suffer the consequences and the lack of abilities for it.
Rhyot
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Re: Small Ideas - AIN'T NO COMBAT THREAD
I have been summoned!! >.>If it was about getting a title to Kalak then that would be the way to follow.
Kalak, just ask a Senator to title you ffs. Unless it's something like "Supreme Lord of Spinesreach" or something belonging to a guild you're not part of, I'll title you whatever it is. My character doesn't give a flying pincher's arse about titles. If she could get away with it, she'd title Toz "Iron Badger" or something like that. Toz would probably kick her butt, though, so she wouldn't. XD
There's no need for suggestions like this that would, as this playerbase has shown over the last 2 years I've played, end up being abused. You give an inch like this, some players can, would, and absolutely WILL take a mile. Bouchard did for the entire time I've played, until Zenobia got the clan made into a legit House again.
And Bouchard was a success and it enriches the game rather then detracts from it. Adds to the story after all.
As someone who has abused the titling system with combat implications, I am hesitant to open it to more abuse. It's an easy utility to encourage organizational RP, which we here are trying to do. I'm not keen on giving decentralized groups more incentive.Centralization and consolidation is good on the paper, but on the other hand it truly kills uncertainty factor to a degree. We are playing a dark fantasy game and roles of mercenary, rogue, bandit, freelancer etc. have not much room in the game. All lines are drawn clearly most of the time. Of course, cities and guilds should have the greatest advantages mechanically. But I digress a little.
This was asked just to make things easier if people ever want to create IC-clan organizations ranging from a cult to trade consortium with titles. Rather then finding an obscure NPC or bugging an official each time...they would be still paying in gold, but instead of the drag they would do it with the command.
Though as you and @Tekias stated perhaps there is not much faith in playerbase to handle it with care.
Kalak
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Re: Small Ideas - AIN'T NO COMBAT THREAD
There is, in all reality. Clans aren't meant to act as actual organisations. That why we have actual organisations. If you begin to chip away at giving clans these little, 'quality of life' perks, why is there any need for mechanical organisations? ESPECIALLY where the means for what you're asking already exist. And where does it end? What is they say - Give an inch, give a mile?"Give an inch, give a mile" is inappropriate for the idea I suggest. Then I will ask guards and townes for clans? And guilds owned by clans? Right. Let us be realistic.
And I already said that the current mechanic of finding a NPC is cumbersome. Clans can be organizations without the mechanical advantages of guilds and cities. HELP FILE itself suggests they can be many things. Making their work easier would endorse clans if they wish to follow a certain style.
So if a clan leader is able to set a prefix or suffix, suddenly that makes a city or guild puny and pointless?
Kalak
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Re: PROPOSED IDEA: NPC-Ran City-State: Esterport
@Kalak Will you please stop trying to make Aetolia like MKO? It's not going to happen. You're not even interested in conflict, since you bought an artifact specifically to avoid the conflict you brought on your own head.
@Runas Ashtan did this. Ashtan was destroyed because this was a really really bad idea in practice. To use Achaea, Cyrene and Hashan are "neutral" and they... sit there. They're pretty useless in the grand scheme of things. With a playerbase this small, it's really not feasible.
@Runas Ashtan did this. Ashtan was destroyed because this was a really really bad idea in practice. To use Achaea, Cyrene and Hashan are "neutral" and they... sit there. They're pretty useless in the grand scheme of things. With a playerbase this small, it's really not feasible.
Kanivara
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Re: Townhall - Future
Also I wish to discuss more methods for @Tiur to kill people and some would-be story arcs:
- Will you be using suicide mice while punishing players or just good ol' exploding will continue?
- Will the nameless frog in the Frog Bait games return as the promised villain "The Frog King" and start devouring people after a well-executed invasion from swamps?
- Will Aalen Bloom return as A.I.D.S (Aalen Induced Depression Sickness) and kickstart another story arc in the game?
- Would you be partial to plant items around which look like special items but explodes people on touch?
Guess that would be all.
- Will you be using suicide mice while punishing players or just good ol' exploding will continue?
- Will the nameless frog in the Frog Bait games return as the promised villain "The Frog King" and start devouring people after a well-executed invasion from swamps?
- Will Aalen Bloom return as A.I.D.S (Aalen Induced Depression Sickness) and kickstart another story arc in the game?
- Would you be partial to plant items around which look like special items but explodes people on touch?
Guess that would be all.
Kalak
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Re: Roles and Reasons
The real split is not between good and evil or hero and villain, it is between PCs and NPCs.
If you are evil/bad/immoral to NPCs no one will care. If you are creative and consistent in your actions you might get a reputation in game and you could generate lots of interesting RP for both your allies and enemies.
If you are evil/bad/immoral to PCs you will quickly become hated by most players and you will eventually get either shut down by the admins for being disruptive or you will be so ostracized in game that you will burn out.
Now to highlight something @Nola said last year
My first character had the founder of his guild kicked out of both it and the city for killing a non-sentient mob (it was a highly symbolic mob but still). He stopped playing shortly after that. Over a decade later I still feel really bad about doing that. I would have handled the situation far different now. At the time I was caught up in playing the role of a zealot and never even stopped to think about the impact my actions would have.
At the end of the day as you interact with your fellow players don't get so caught up in your role that you lose sight of how things feel on their side of the keyboard. Even if you want to play as a villain to other players you should always make it collaborative and not just punishing. Which of course is far easier to say than do.
It is trivial to generate conflict. It takes a skilled player to generate entertaining conflict.
If you are evil/bad/immoral to NPCs no one will care. If you are creative and consistent in your actions you might get a reputation in game and you could generate lots of interesting RP for both your allies and enemies.
If you are evil/bad/immoral to PCs you will quickly become hated by most players and you will eventually get either shut down by the admins for being disruptive or you will be so ostracized in game that you will burn out.
Now to highlight something @Nola said last year
It's not easy being the hero. Why? Because like many people have stated, the slightest infraction of what is expected of you calls for grave consequence/reactions from your very friends/allies. Not your enemies. Why would your enemies care? All the better, to them. Or so it should be.
My first character had the founder of his guild kicked out of both it and the city for killing a non-sentient mob (it was a highly symbolic mob but still). He stopped playing shortly after that. Over a decade later I still feel really bad about doing that. I would have handled the situation far different now. At the time I was caught up in playing the role of a zealot and never even stopped to think about the impact my actions would have.
At the end of the day as you interact with your fellow players don't get so caught up in your role that you lose sight of how things feel on their side of the keyboard. Even if you want to play as a villain to other players you should always make it collaborative and not just punishing. Which of course is far easier to say than do.
It is trivial to generate conflict. It takes a skilled player to generate entertaining conflict.
Vash
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Re: August 2017 Promotion - Chests, Lessons and Antiquated Artifacts!
@Tiur since we can see just about everything about other people with the goggles, could we possibly get a GOGGLE DIAGNOSE ? Even if it's not remote?
Xavin
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Re: What I Made, What The Players Saw, What I Played
"I'm big, you're little. I'm right, you're wrong. And there's NOTHING you can do about it!"
Omei
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Re: Townhall - Future
@Rhyot You possibly got my meaning of power creep wrong and resorted to "Git gud". When I mention PvP barrier you should look from several different aspects. Group PvP could be said to have no barrier at all, since it is take whatever you have and go forward tactic. To be able to provide a full-offensive:
- You have to get all class skillsets. Some classes may offer exceptions, but at the presence of tons of passive curing it is imperative that your offense should be full.
- Endgame advantages add a level of power creep, so you either have those advantages or not.
- If you are not having the necessary cure advantages of Survival and RNG advantage of Avoidance, you will get a harder time.
- Good luck with having no audit skills, certain PvE places will mow you down. And you will go down so fast against damage.
- Relics/Artifacts do not make someone a combatant, but they make a combatant far far better. In the hands of non-combatants they offer better chances of survival and escape.
- Coding knowledge is a part of power creep, because paying for offensive system or creating one is a barrier within itself. You need to track afflictions? You have to get an affliction tracker or write one. They all add overhead costs and that raises the barrier.
- Eq-enhancement means 6% less mana/health, meaning it is a trade-off rather then cheap stuff. Eq-crown will still remain as a 850cr necessity over there. 7% speed bump may seem smaller, but it is an advantage. Advantages pile up and up, hence the power creep starts. I do not expect its removal and full-refund but the bad fruit is there. Asking if there is something to do.
- Ylem stuff, also add additional PvP necessity. Small advantages of course, but they help.
Now do not get me wrong, I have PvPed successfully in various games without a problem. I did not write this because I ail from one problem or another or I need to "Git gud". But when I make comparison it is blatant that in Aetolia you need far more to stand a chance and have options.
- You have to get all class skillsets. Some classes may offer exceptions, but at the presence of tons of passive curing it is imperative that your offense should be full.
- Endgame advantages add a level of power creep, so you either have those advantages or not.
- If you are not having the necessary cure advantages of Survival and RNG advantage of Avoidance, you will get a harder time.
- Good luck with having no audit skills, certain PvE places will mow you down. And you will go down so fast against damage.
- Relics/Artifacts do not make someone a combatant, but they make a combatant far far better. In the hands of non-combatants they offer better chances of survival and escape.
- Coding knowledge is a part of power creep, because paying for offensive system or creating one is a barrier within itself. You need to track afflictions? You have to get an affliction tracker or write one. They all add overhead costs and that raises the barrier.
- Eq-enhancement means 6% less mana/health, meaning it is a trade-off rather then cheap stuff. Eq-crown will still remain as a 850cr necessity over there. 7% speed bump may seem smaller, but it is an advantage. Advantages pile up and up, hence the power creep starts. I do not expect its removal and full-refund but the bad fruit is there. Asking if there is something to do.
- Ylem stuff, also add additional PvP necessity. Small advantages of course, but they help.
Now do not get me wrong, I have PvPed successfully in various games without a problem. I did not write this because I ail from one problem or another or I need to "Git gud". But when I make comparison it is blatant that in Aetolia you need far more to stand a chance and have options.
Kalak
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