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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
@Rhoyt I have a feeling the words 'objectively incorrect' don't mean what you think they do, buddy. Because it is absolutely not objectively correct that spirit has an 'active fighters' advantage that has persisted for more than a year. But sure, go on ahead and moan and complain and don't do anything that actually helps the situation. As others have shown there are times of the day where Shadow has an advantage and times of the day when numbers are even, and times of the day when spirit has the advantage.
At nearly all hours of the day that I am around if I look at qwho I see a list of people I have set as allies and a list of people set as enemies that have at least participated in the past at some point, because I don't enemy people that I don't end up at a lesser or major against. Those numbers are usually fairly equal, if not skewed a little bit in one direction or the other. But what -is- objective fact is that Bloodloch and Spinesreach, together, have a population that is greater than that of Duiran and Enorian's. And is apparent when you look at who is logged in at any given moment. It is very rare for Enorian or Duiran to have more people around than Bloodloch alone. If those people on either side don't want to participate, look at the causes of that lack of desire. Is it a true lack of interest? Is it a conflict with someone or multiple people on their side? Is it attitude issues? Lack of reward? These are all things that can be fixed. Spirit has worked hard to make systems that reward players for participating in both guild and city, and there has been a lot of work put in to foster a positive environment on our combat webs and on Frontline. Some of this was due to admin cracking down on some pretty bad behavior in the past but our org leaders and combat leaders generally try to keep things on the up and up.
I can't speak for how y'all do personally because I've not seen it. But I've heard enough to have my own ideas as to what might be going on.
Edit: Ultimately, there is a difference between not having people and not having people that want to participate. Y'all consistently have more people. Figure out why they don't want to participate.
At nearly all hours of the day that I am around if I look at qwho I see a list of people I have set as allies and a list of people set as enemies that have at least participated in the past at some point, because I don't enemy people that I don't end up at a lesser or major against. Those numbers are usually fairly equal, if not skewed a little bit in one direction or the other. But what -is- objective fact is that Bloodloch and Spinesreach, together, have a population that is greater than that of Duiran and Enorian's. And is apparent when you look at who is logged in at any given moment. It is very rare for Enorian or Duiran to have more people around than Bloodloch alone. If those people on either side don't want to participate, look at the causes of that lack of desire. Is it a true lack of interest? Is it a conflict with someone or multiple people on their side? Is it attitude issues? Lack of reward? These are all things that can be fixed. Spirit has worked hard to make systems that reward players for participating in both guild and city, and there has been a lot of work put in to foster a positive environment on our combat webs and on Frontline. Some of this was due to admin cracking down on some pretty bad behavior in the past but our org leaders and combat leaders generally try to keep things on the up and up.
I can't speak for how y'all do personally because I've not seen it. But I've heard enough to have my own ideas as to what might be going on.
Edit: Ultimately, there is a difference between not having people and not having people that want to participate. Y'all consistently have more people. Figure out why they don't want to participate.
Xavin
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
I might be inclined to agree in other discussions - though tbf I think there's a lot to be said for people using 'tether tribalism' as a catch-all excuse not to engage in discourse. At least in this case, though, the peeve is a blatant falsehood or not representative of the reality of the situation. It's a culture issue. I'm literally watching that issue unfold in front of me via reading Rhyot's posts: some folks on Shadow tether actively deny reality or convey their complaints in a way that would not make me want to participate alongside them. Numbers are usually even. The organizations inside the tether have problems with encouraging participation and I'm sure there's a lot of angles that could be attacked at.Ardent said:It still counts as a game peeve if it's based on the forums right? I'm bored to tears of the us vs them mentality that jumps up every time a combat discussion happens. Honest peeve is brought up, gets dismissed and throw around because someone doesn't agree with it, turns into argument which devolves into tether tribalism. I don't care if you agree with me or that statement, it's what happens. Very rarely does someone from Spirit or Shadow agree with something someone from the other Tether says on the merit of what is said. If it does happen, there is someone who comes up behind said person and disregards it. You're obviously right about the numbers issues gentlemen and know exactly what the problem is. Have a nice day.
I didn't have fun playing my Shadow alt. There community around them is why I didn't go back to that character after I was done taking my break from Iesid.
edit: please don't take this as me saying Spirit is perfect - we have our fair share of issues.
Iesid
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
I can’t believe I missed the 8-12 month anniversary from the last time this asinine topic was discussed. O h well, maybe next year.
Naos
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
@Sryaen killed me at the HG, only to revive me when Tellimerius got to me.My pet peeve is that I thought you were more of a fighter than I thought, so I felt bad about chasing you to the HG. Also that kill took embarrassingly long because I realized that 1) I didn't have you enemied, so my auras weren't hitting you and 2) I was using my PVE swords instead of my PVP ones, so everything was slowed down by almost half a second.
Sryaen
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
It irks me how skewed PVP combat is anymore.I feel you, and to be honest, it sucks for both sides when its one sided. I've hated the way lessers are since their inception, when I was running around with Ezalor back in the day. But now, as then, sadly I don't think much is going to change, because the Pools doesn't think anything is wrong with the way they are. If they did, they would have changed them...in any way whatsoever, in the past 10 years. Big true post though.
I get the whole pendulum "idea" but holy unicorns... it's been almost a year and Shadow still can't reach the numbers that Spirit gets for group combat.
Aeryx
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Re: Mildly Irritating: Aetolia's Pet Peeves
It irks me how skewed PVP combat is anymore.
I get the whole pendulum "idea" but holy fuck... it's been almost a year and Shadow still can't reach the numbers that Spirit gets for group combat.
I get the whole pendulum "idea" but holy fuck... it's been almost a year and Shadow still can't reach the numbers that Spirit gets for group combat.
Rhyot
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Re: Theme Songs!!!
This one goes out to @Chakrasul and Her crew. Not right now. Just in general.Curse you, now I want to go watch that again.
Zeheia
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Re: Owned Part II
You sit down on a rickety wooden chair.
Your surroundings lurch dizzingly around you as your body is overwhelmed with the sensation of
movement. As the sensory bombardment comes to an end, you find yourself somewhere else entirely.
A split in the tunnel.
A chromatic column commands the area, chaotic candescence churning at its core. Glancing around with
a distracted air, a huge, sky blue taerilan is nearby. A glowing red flame-shaped sigil has been
left here. There are 2 large earth elementals here. Wisps of smoke formed into a vaguely humanoid
form reveal the position of a smoke elemental. A lava daemon stands here, the ground beneath it
scorched black.
You see exits leading north, east, and south.
[SND] Balance: 55.80s.
A large earth elemental snarls angrily at you and moves in for the kill.
You whisper softly into Aisling's consciousness, "Uh oh."
1 . Jun has been slain by the might of a large earth elemental.
Your surroundings lurch dizzingly around you as your body is overwhelmed with the sensation of
movement. As the sensory bombardment comes to an end, you find yourself somewhere else entirely.
A split in the tunnel.
A chromatic column commands the area, chaotic candescence churning at its core. Glancing around with
a distracted air, a huge, sky blue taerilan is nearby. A glowing red flame-shaped sigil has been
left here. There are 2 large earth elementals here. Wisps of smoke formed into a vaguely humanoid
form reveal the position of a smoke elemental. A lava daemon stands here, the ground beneath it
scorched black.
You see exits leading north, east, and south.
[SND] Balance: 55.80s.
A large earth elemental snarls angrily at you and moves in for the kill.
You whisper softly into Aisling's consciousness, "Uh oh."
1 . Jun has been slain by the might of a large earth elemental.
Jun
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