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Re: Owned Part II
To be honest, combat logs posted out of spite, anger, or rage from losing aren't really valid data.Xarian said:I disagree with this sentiment. Partly because that's not what passive-aggressive means, but mostly because this is the perfect place for people to post logs of things they think are overpowered. As a liaison, you should be grateful for all the combat data you can get, especially as you aren't generating any of your own.Xavin said:
Edit: And can we uh....stop using this thread as a passive-agressive 'this is op' thing?
I also disagree with your assessment of what is appropriate for this thread. This thread is people who got owned. Not people to come to the forums about why: "X killed me, therefore X is overpowered!"
As someone who is a liaison themselves, you should be encouraging any individuals (regardless of whether they are your friend or not) , be they a spirit or shadow player, to post constructive feedback and evidence regarding their claims as the burden of proof, as they say, is on them.
Edit: Reading over the log, Rammus' death seems fairly appropriate. He had the prerequisites for Omen on him and didn't really try to evade or play defensively. Getting angry or upset because you had 3 Omen-related affs on you is like getting mad at a Syssin and saying they're overpowered because they got most of the requirements of a v-lock on you and it was hard to get out of it once they get momentum. Both are difficult for both classes and you deserve to die if you can't cure and keep up with it. That's the point. The class, or any class for that matter, is supposed to challenge your curing, your cognitive ability to know when to move away or play defensively, etc.
Seir
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Re: Whom do strict crafting standards help?
Switching everything to a new system of grammar and such would leave a lot of the game obsolete, and with the lack of people actually working for the game [...] it would be inane to suggest these people, many unpaid, go through and fix everything. It would likely also require cities to pay out the nose to have everything fixed in their description.Listen, I really don't want to get mad or fight you, Internet Stranger. I don't know you, and for all I know you could be a really good person with whom I'd get along great. You could be a Buffy fan or someone who takes recycling seriously and we'd have a lot to talk about.
I'm trying to make a case about x. That's why I'm here. I perceive x as problematic, you disagree and think the opposite, so I'm happy to have a debate here about x, and why I think x is a problem, and why you think x is necessary. That's fine.
But that isn't possible if you're going to consistently argue against something that wasn't said, that no one is suggesting or even implying. You're debating a straw-man. I called you out on it in my previous post, and I'm pretty sure that by now I definitely sound condescending, but you're doing it again.
There is absolutely no reason why relaxing overly stringent standards of grammar, and being more accepting of different standards, would render any existing items or rooms under the current standard obsolete. Grammar rules change all the time, as was pointed out earlier. I'm pretty sure no one has taken a hatchet to double-spaced documents that the government must have kept during the typewriting era. No one is suggesting they should be made obsolete. In fact, wanting to police things more intensely is exactly the opposite of what this thread is about, so no one is suggesting any new workload for volunteers.
Nia
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Re: Small Ideas - AIN'T NO COMBAT THREAD
So, I'm tired of seeing people online in CWHO or in WHO and then try to get their attention but not being able to because they are idle/afk. So, to combat this, here's my idea.
Forced timed logouts..... this could be done if a person has been in a single room for X amount of time. Say after 60 minutes of being in a room, the game has an NPC that sends a tell to the player with a math equation. The type of math equation and the way its worded will be various and different so no script can be built against it. The player will then have 1 minute to respond to this NPC with the correct answer. If you don't answer or are incorrect, you get disconnected.
Obviously, this will have no impact on those who are actually at the computer roleplaying or crafting or what have you, because even if you're wrong, you'll just reconnect anyway.
This will essentially stop people from being logged in when they're obviously sleeping or at work, but making it appear like they are in the game. Just a thought.
Forced timed logouts..... this could be done if a person has been in a single room for X amount of time. Say after 60 minutes of being in a room, the game has an NPC that sends a tell to the player with a math equation. The type of math equation and the way its worded will be various and different so no script can be built against it. The player will then have 1 minute to respond to this NPC with the correct answer. If you don't answer or are incorrect, you get disconnected.
Obviously, this will have no impact on those who are actually at the computer roleplaying or crafting or what have you, because even if you're wrong, you'll just reconnect anyway.
This will essentially stop people from being logged in when they're obviously sleeping or at work, but making it appear like they are in the game. Just a thought.
Rhyot
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Re: The Imperial Dominion of the Consanguine
I kinda hate to say this but...at its core? All of aetolian politics boils down to popularity contests, @Erzsebet .
Xavin
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Re: MAD 2: MADDEN'S MADDENING.
Ugh. Just ugh! I hate when people go and ask you for your opinion/thoughts on something and then when you give them, you get attacked for them or told that you're wrong.
Same thing when someone asks for suggestions. If you give them a suggestion and the person doesn't agree with it, they say, "Nope, you're wrong. Go fuck yourself because we're doing this my way because I'm a fucking snowflake and like things this way." Then don't ask for suggestions if all you're going to do is disagree with EVERYONE who gives a suggestion!
Same thing when someone asks for suggestions. If you give them a suggestion and the person doesn't agree with it, they say, "Nope, you're wrong. Go fuck yourself because we're doing this my way because I'm a fucking snowflake and like things this way." Then don't ask for suggestions if all you're going to do is disagree with EVERYONE who gives a suggestion!
Rhyot
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Re: Small Ideas - AIN'T NO COMBAT THREAD
Pretty simple idea. Could there be a cooldown placed on public posting after 2+ public posts within a 24 hour time period? I'd say nice low cooldown of 1 rl year. Maybe reduced to a 1/2 year if you have the post office contract coin artifact.
Edit: Oooor, a way to vote-ban someone from making public posts for a while? For example:
VOTEBAN PUBLIC SHACHALAI 1 YEAR: For being annoying as fuck.
Edit: Oooor, a way to vote-ban someone from making public posts for a while? For example:
VOTEBAN PUBLIC SHACHALAI 1 YEAR: For being annoying as fuck.
Qendyl
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Re: Townhall Part 1
$0.02
In a game of strict binary conflict, isn't it the one trying to play both sides that would qualify as a "special snowflake"? :thinking:
In a game of strict binary conflict, isn't it the one trying to play both sides that would qualify as a "special snowflake"? :thinking:
Kodaza
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Re: Townhall Part 1
To quote a very specific section regarding rogues and neutrality from Tiur himself:
You say, "Any attention given to the neutral middle, that again, should not exist... I feel that attention has been spent poorly."
You say, "Looking back to my comment on resource allocation."
You say, "Our true uniqueness comes from those conflicts and consequences. If I want to spend my resources best, I emphasize and support that."
You say, "I worry that too much attention to neutral acts as an unspoken encouragement."
You say, "The world has room for neutrality, but it is a waste of resources to incentivise it."
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I understand that people who I don't RP with still RP. I understand that Yeras still has his RP, I understand that Kanivara still has her RP, I understand that Dzekk/Wylliam/Isia/Eliadon/Aishia/Valingar/Didi all have their own RP. So I do understand that you have RP.
That said, I have played as a Rogue. And I found that it is much more detrimental to the game and growth as a character to BE a rogue because no one wants to associate with you. My ties were influential and shaky at best when I did play a rogue because I went with whoever paid me the most money or whoever gave me the best deal. As a rogue, you have that option, sure. But in doing so, you ARE in fact disregarding lore. Because under normal circumstances, why in the hell would a Vampire want to help out Enorian when vampires as a whole just want to enslave Enorian as live food? Or why would a Templar want to fight alongside vampires when Templars are taught that the shadow side is inherently evil and needs to be cleansed?
In the end, a rogue does nothing except cause frustration to all players because now we're toeing the line of 'Do we really want to approve of this rogue's "neutral" behavior? And how is that going to negatively affect us politically and socially?' You become a variable, an outlier that the majority of the game can't rely on. The only thing we can rely on is that the rogue will either be a threat or harmless.
Now to keep onto topic, I'd say the idea of rogues and neutrality is pretty much shot if you read the subscript from Tiur along with this post. He essentially said that rogues and neutral tendencies are a waste of resources and will not be expanded upon. So take that with whatever grain of salt you'd like. But that's just the way things are.
You say, "Any attention given to the neutral middle, that again, should not exist... I feel that attention has been spent poorly."
You say, "Looking back to my comment on resource allocation."
You say, "Our true uniqueness comes from those conflicts and consequences. If I want to spend my resources best, I emphasize and support that."
You say, "I worry that too much attention to neutral acts as an unspoken encouragement."
You say, "The world has room for neutrality, but it is a waste of resources to incentivise it."
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I understand that people who I don't RP with still RP. I understand that Yeras still has his RP, I understand that Kanivara still has her RP, I understand that Dzekk/Wylliam/Isia/Eliadon/Aishia/Valingar/Didi all have their own RP. So I do understand that you have RP.
That said, I have played as a Rogue. And I found that it is much more detrimental to the game and growth as a character to BE a rogue because no one wants to associate with you. My ties were influential and shaky at best when I did play a rogue because I went with whoever paid me the most money or whoever gave me the best deal. As a rogue, you have that option, sure. But in doing so, you ARE in fact disregarding lore. Because under normal circumstances, why in the hell would a Vampire want to help out Enorian when vampires as a whole just want to enslave Enorian as live food? Or why would a Templar want to fight alongside vampires when Templars are taught that the shadow side is inherently evil and needs to be cleansed?
In the end, a rogue does nothing except cause frustration to all players because now we're toeing the line of 'Do we really want to approve of this rogue's "neutral" behavior? And how is that going to negatively affect us politically and socially?' You become a variable, an outlier that the majority of the game can't rely on. The only thing we can rely on is that the rogue will either be a threat or harmless.
Now to keep onto topic, I'd say the idea of rogues and neutrality is pretty much shot if you read the subscript from Tiur along with this post. He essentially said that rogues and neutral tendencies are a waste of resources and will not be expanded upon. So take that with whatever grain of salt you'd like. But that's just the way things are.
Rhyot
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Re: Townhall Part 1
If you read the log of the townhall, you would see that Tiur went and said that there is probably going to be no support for rogues. So I wouldn't expect any sort of RP to enhance rogue roles or even support rogues.
Reason being it because each side conflict with each other. A rogue provides nothing more than a punching bag for both sides, while at the same time, offering up no lore or true RP to the mix. They have no goal other than 'Oh hey, in what way can I be a dick?' or 'Hrm. I'm just going to mind my own business'.
Rogues should face a malus because (As a player) you are disregarding all form of lore to subject your character to whims because you don't want to play nice with cities. That's fine. You get to suffer the consequences and the lack of abilities for it.
Reason being it because each side conflict with each other. A rogue provides nothing more than a punching bag for both sides, while at the same time, offering up no lore or true RP to the mix. They have no goal other than 'Oh hey, in what way can I be a dick?' or 'Hrm. I'm just going to mind my own business'.
Rogues should face a malus because (As a player) you are disregarding all form of lore to subject your character to whims because you don't want to play nice with cities. That's fine. You get to suffer the consequences and the lack of abilities for it.
Rhyot
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