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Mirror classes
We'd like to take the opportunity to clear up some of the misconceptions we've seen floating around since my little teaser about mirror classes and more officially announce our intention to proceed with this.
I want to have a massive disclaimer that we are very, very early days on this project. Everything you read here is subject to change.
What are mirror classes?
It's a class that's a complete copy of another class on a MECHANICAL level, as near as we can make it. This means the roleplay of the class and how the skills look will be completely different, and more than likely will have little to no relation to the class it was mirrored from.
Obviously there will still be similarities between the classes due to mechanics being in line with each other, for example: Mirror-Templars are going to wield a lot of weapons. Mirror-Shamans will have some sort of territory skill. Mirror-Carnifex will have a pet of some kind and use some form of polearms/hammers. But on a roleplay level, we hope to give each class their own identity.
That said, there may be some MINOR mechanical differences. For example, no amount of lore wrangling we can do will make it acceptable for someone on the Spirit tether to have skills that deal Shadow damage. In that scenario, we would probably just switch it over to Spirit damage instead.
How long has this been planned?
I've seen a lot of people tossing around the idea that this is a kneejerk reaction. That's just not true at all! We started planning draft concepts back in early 2018, and we have been considering/debating whether we should mirror classes for far longer than that. We were meant to announce it in our 2020 preview post that Tiur made, but it somehow slipped between the cracks and I simply saw an opportunity to drop it in that classlead thread.
Are you going to mirror Monk/Syssin?
At this stage, no, these two are not planned. It's something we'll consider again when all the others are done. For now, it's enough they're neutral-tethered.
Where are these classes going? Will there be new guilds?
Absolutely not on new guilds. It's likely that they will be obtainable through a tutor in the home city we decide on for the class, and not overtly tied to a guild as that narrows the scope of the roleplay we can explore with them. That said, there's precedent for a guild to have multiple classes attached to it (hi Illuminai) so we'll see! Still too early to decide on that.
Home cities? What does that mean?
It means we'll most likely tie the class to a city in some way. Anybody on the tether can pick up the class still, of course, but the roleplay ties for that class will be in its home city. It MIGHT be easier for a citizen of the home city to pick the class up (in the same vein it's easier due to home guilds) but we will see yet on this.
This also means we'll be looking at diversifying certain class niches to each of the cities. For example, the terrain classes (Teradrim/Shaman) will more than likely go to Enorian and Spinesreach respectively. Other niches we're looking at diversifying include glyphs/aegis (Ascendril/Sciomancer) and classes with lots of ents to summon (Indorani/Sentinel).
This is both to ensure that certain class playstyles are available to people in each of the four cities and also give room for deeper intertether conflict if it arises (organically, not something we currently plan to push).
Class slots will be expanded?
Yep, of course.
If all classes are mirrored, does this mean we can swap tethers without a loss in lessons?
No, as all the classes are going to be roleplay-distinct from each other, you can't swap your lessons over to them.
Release date? Are you going to release all classes at once?
Way way too early to give any details on a release date. The project is still way too conceptual at this stage.
No, the releases will be staggered. Probably in batches of one class from each side at a time, over a long period of time. This ensures we're (a) not tying up all our resources working on this, and (b) poor Keroc has time to adjust group combat to the introduction of each new mirror and deal with how things are changed up.
Why are you doing this?
There's a few reasons.
1) Tether tribalism. It exists, no use pretending it doesn't. We don't expect mirror classes to solve this, but we do expect it to soften it as the frustration and salt surrounding classleads has been a big contributor.
2) Perceived bias. Keroc can't be biased against a specific side of the game if he's nerfing a class available to everybody.
3) Business. I'll be straight up honest and not be shy about it: it's an opportunity for us to expand our product. You will have all 16 classes available to you no matter what side of the game you're on. This is good for us!
4) The majority of time sunk into new class development is (by far) balancing and coming up with mechanics in the first place. This allows us to add new classes to each side without that extra overhead, and develop more lore opportunities for characters to partake in.
How is mechanic [x] going to work in relation to [y]?
What will the mirror of [class] be?
How do you expect [z] to even work on the other side?
etc
We could spend all day answering questions like this, so I'll cut that short and say it's too early to know and you'll have to wait and see!
I want to have a massive disclaimer that we are very, very early days on this project. Everything you read here is subject to change.
What are mirror classes?
It's a class that's a complete copy of another class on a MECHANICAL level, as near as we can make it. This means the roleplay of the class and how the skills look will be completely different, and more than likely will have little to no relation to the class it was mirrored from.
Obviously there will still be similarities between the classes due to mechanics being in line with each other, for example: Mirror-Templars are going to wield a lot of weapons. Mirror-Shamans will have some sort of territory skill. Mirror-Carnifex will have a pet of some kind and use some form of polearms/hammers. But on a roleplay level, we hope to give each class their own identity.
That said, there may be some MINOR mechanical differences. For example, no amount of lore wrangling we can do will make it acceptable for someone on the Spirit tether to have skills that deal Shadow damage. In that scenario, we would probably just switch it over to Spirit damage instead.
How long has this been planned?
I've seen a lot of people tossing around the idea that this is a kneejerk reaction. That's just not true at all! We started planning draft concepts back in early 2018, and we have been considering/debating whether we should mirror classes for far longer than that. We were meant to announce it in our 2020 preview post that Tiur made, but it somehow slipped between the cracks and I simply saw an opportunity to drop it in that classlead thread.
Are you going to mirror Monk/Syssin?
At this stage, no, these two are not planned. It's something we'll consider again when all the others are done. For now, it's enough they're neutral-tethered.
Where are these classes going? Will there be new guilds?
Absolutely not on new guilds. It's likely that they will be obtainable through a tutor in the home city we decide on for the class, and not overtly tied to a guild as that narrows the scope of the roleplay we can explore with them. That said, there's precedent for a guild to have multiple classes attached to it (hi Illuminai) so we'll see! Still too early to decide on that.
Home cities? What does that mean?
It means we'll most likely tie the class to a city in some way. Anybody on the tether can pick up the class still, of course, but the roleplay ties for that class will be in its home city. It MIGHT be easier for a citizen of the home city to pick the class up (in the same vein it's easier due to home guilds) but we will see yet on this.
This also means we'll be looking at diversifying certain class niches to each of the cities. For example, the terrain classes (Teradrim/Shaman) will more than likely go to Enorian and Spinesreach respectively. Other niches we're looking at diversifying include glyphs/aegis (Ascendril/Sciomancer) and classes with lots of ents to summon (Indorani/Sentinel).
This is both to ensure that certain class playstyles are available to people in each of the four cities and also give room for deeper intertether conflict if it arises (organically, not something we currently plan to push).
Class slots will be expanded?
Yep, of course.
If all classes are mirrored, does this mean we can swap tethers without a loss in lessons?
No, as all the classes are going to be roleplay-distinct from each other, you can't swap your lessons over to them.
Release date? Are you going to release all classes at once?
Way way too early to give any details on a release date. The project is still way too conceptual at this stage.
No, the releases will be staggered. Probably in batches of one class from each side at a time, over a long period of time. This ensures we're (a) not tying up all our resources working on this, and (b) poor Keroc has time to adjust group combat to the introduction of each new mirror and deal with how things are changed up.
Why are you doing this?
There's a few reasons.
1) Tether tribalism. It exists, no use pretending it doesn't. We don't expect mirror classes to solve this, but we do expect it to soften it as the frustration and salt surrounding classleads has been a big contributor.
2) Perceived bias. Keroc can't be biased against a specific side of the game if he's nerfing a class available to everybody.
3) Business. I'll be straight up honest and not be shy about it: it's an opportunity for us to expand our product. You will have all 16 classes available to you no matter what side of the game you're on. This is good for us!
4) The majority of time sunk into new class development is (by far) balancing and coming up with mechanics in the first place. This allows us to add new classes to each side without that extra overhead, and develop more lore opportunities for characters to partake in.
How is mechanic [x] going to work in relation to [y]?
What will the mirror of [class] be?
How do you expect [z] to even work on the other side?
etc
We could spend all day answering questions like this, so I'll cut that short and say it's too early to know and you'll have to wait and see!
Razmael
9
Re: Mirror classes
I think while this plan will undoubtedly cause hiccups in balance with each initial release, it will overall lead to a less salty, more balanced stage for pk overall. No one will be frothing at the mouth to nerf "the other side" because they have easy access to anything they think is broken or unfair.
As a comment on the themes, I would really love to see mirror classes themed heavily around cities and gods - in the past and even currently there exists gaps (and, at times, chasms) between guild and city, so having classes themed specifically for a city as opposed to being themed to a guild which is then morphed to the needs of the city will be a great boon to improve the "feel" of a city.
Maybe use some to add more subraces? I'm a slut for subraces.
And finally, let me just say I'm so excited to be able to have all three Selunic classes at once (:
As a comment on the themes, I would really love to see mirror classes themed heavily around cities and gods - in the past and even currently there exists gaps (and, at times, chasms) between guild and city, so having classes themed specifically for a city as opposed to being themed to a guild which is then morphed to the needs of the city will be a great boon to improve the "feel" of a city.
Maybe use some to add more subraces? I'm a slut for subraces.
And finally, let me just say I'm so excited to be able to have all three Selunic classes at once (:
Rijetta
8
Re: Thank you!
Really, I have plenty of people to mention and I don't think I can at the moment capture everyone. @Tatia @Fezzix @Phoenecia, Tanixalthas to name a few!
But I can honestly say that I've never had such a warm welcome back to a game, it's really made me appreciate the community and people around. @Skiva most importantly for keeping Aros alive when I couldn't be playing. You're amazing
But I can honestly say that I've never had such a warm welcome back to a game, it's really made me appreciate the community and people around. @Skiva most importantly for keeping Aros alive when I couldn't be playing. You're amazing
Aros
7
Re: The Aetolian Confessionals
Hey, it's this thread!
- I was so certain I'd quit. Utterly convicted. I was doing so well for almost three years. But then, I shit you not, I had an unexplainable dream. I was sitting in a friend's personal theater in their basement, watching home videos. The videos were time lapses of Aetolian characters and their families in stages of growth. The character alone, then them courting their significant other, then their children growing up. I know Xenia was one, and Aishia. There were a few others but I forget. I woke up feeling lonelier than I had in ages, and I logged in later that very day. If you're a psychologist, have a field day with that one.
- I'm kind of rude now? I remember being nicer. Everyone else seems to be rude too, though.
- Lin has a new, deep, dark secret, but it's the kind that could really mess things up so I have no idea how it will ever be expressed, if at all.
- I've become extremely attached to the random permanent items my character has accrued throughout the decade of her life.
- Recently, I lost the oldest possession Lin owns during some stellar RP, and although it was dead sexy, I feel super anxious about it being gone.
- I'm responsible for the Tsinkin Municipality, and Remi, one of the hobo NPCs, is Lin's canonical father (as in I willfully inserted the pre-established character into the game, not that I decided on the connection after the fact).
- I'm also responsible for Sterion. I'm sorry, I was going through a phase.
- One of the lamest things about Aetolia was this sense of staleness, in which it's either the same characters, or alts of the same characters that you can spot from a mile off. Now Aetolia is full of what appears to be actual new players, and the idea that someone might not know who I am is thrilling! I've had to actually step up my RP game because I can't just fall back on reputation.
- If you write "apathy" or "stagnation" I absolutely will not read your news post.
- I discovered an unreleased Hobby completely by accident. I can't reproduce what I did to discover its name again.
- I would become a mortal builder just to get a chance to completely remake old wilderness zones (the Ithmias, Shamtota Hills, etc.). This poor game needs a fresh coat of paint. Also Spinereach? You gotta go. Circular maps are the new hotness.
- If a guild's lore or required reading bores me or I just find it badly written, I will just barely skim it, then make educated guesses when I'm quizzed on the content during an interview.
- I have never failed a guild interview.
- Almost every time I make to esteem somebody, I get most of the way through writing it, second guess myself, try writing a new one, and then repeat the process until I give up. I owe a backlog of like 10 esteems since I've come back. I think maybe it feels self-aggrandizing? I have no clue. See the note in the first post about a psychologist.
- I'm frustrated whenever a really cool character acts like a total dork where I can see it. Powerful, imposing figures who shout in all caps, make endless goofy jokes, and generally pal around in low RP mode. I'm aware it's my own imposition that you have to be serious and cool and high effort at all times, but it doesn't make it any less disenchanting for me.
- Because of the above confession, Tani's order is virtually off limits for me where RP is concerned.
- I want a lot of attention and I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of. You want attention, too, even if only a little. It's basic human behavior.
- Lin had a kid - with Sibatti! I want to see him played, but I've had all of my children made into real characters and it has backfired every time. I'm still on the fence about making some kind of request.
Lin
5
Re: Classlead frustrations.
Perhaps this could be what the kids call a "hot take," but I actually think classlead submissions should always be open and all remarks should be visible but remain anonymous. Keep the current limit and still only make decisions/changes once per quarter, but having them open at all times would reduce the pervasiveness of a current issue where people avoid using a skill or combination of skills deemed as "broken" just because submissions are open in the hopes that it will be forgotten. Having all comments visible and enforcing a certain standard of behavior in the comments would help keep people honest and encourage use of data rather than rhetoric to argue a point.
Church
10
Re: Agriculture and Commodities
So. A few things that have frustrated me with the Farming and Production system, and the move to a player-run economy, and a lot of it is actually on the player side of things. Bear in mind, this is from me brief experience with comms in Enorian, so don't know how other cities are faring as I'm an outsider.
1) A lack of understanding of supply and demand and how it SHOULD be influencing farming and production.
So. This bugs the everloving hell out of me. If you're a city leader, council member, or a minister or aide to the Trade ministry, you can see all the comms the city has. You should be keeping in mind total comm levels, what comms people are actually using or need, what's needed to upgrade and maintain facilities, and what you have an abundance or overabunance of. Why is this important? Because if you're doing the whole farming and producing comms thing to help keep your city stocked as opposed to doing it for profit, you SHOULD NOT be producing a ton of a comm your city doesn't actually need. Until recently, Enorian had been producing hemp out the wazoo and turning it into rope, and then the city was buying it at a high price. Despite, y'know, not actually needing any of it. I guess people saw the very fast growth and regrowth times and thought it'd be an awesome money maker.
Yeah, no. It doesn't work that way.
If you look at what rope is actually used in, it doesn't amount to a lot. So why produce so much of it?
Meanwhile, wood and leather are used in a lot more important things (like upgrading and maintaining facilities), but take a much longer time to actually farm. Unless a person is farming stuff to produce things to keep for themselves, cities have a lot of influence to nudge people into producing what it needs. Need wood? Increase the city buying price on wood while dropping the price on others to encourage the production of those comms.
2) Farming for self/profit vs Farming for city
While it's great when getting a nice profit and helping your city align, more than likely it's not, especially if the city you're in can't really afford to pay out as much for in-demand comms to remain competitive. So you really have to decide right away if you're farming and producing to make money or to produce comms for yourself to keep, you're going to be sending your stuff to where the taxes are lowest, facilities are upgraded for better efficiency, fastest or smallest queues, and then sell it to wherever has the highest buy price to make the most out of your efforts. For for-profit farmers, you're going to have to realize that you're going to be moving things around a lot, and not getting stuff produced all in the same place.
If you're farming and producing to help out your city or you're a super patriot and insist on producing everything in one city...I'm sorry, but you're going to have to accept that you might not be getting the most profit for your efforts if you receive any at all. If you're sincerely trying to help your city, you should be willing and able to take the losses. If a city can't afford gold compensation for the amount of work or comms, they really should be providing compensation some other way. If they can't find a solution that's satisfactory for you, well...might have to bite the damn bullet and sell to someplace that CAN.
3) Going 'all-in' vs Diversifying
So. Making all of your fields full of cows or cotton seems like a super amazing money-maker... Yeah, if you don't mind waiting ages for overloaded production facilities to finish with your stuff. You also run into the issue of potentially having so much of one thing that you'll drain a city's coffers. Diversifying allows you to 'spread your investments' around and also help alleviate production queues a little. Also, if you do Provisioning (which is another can of worms) it helps alleviate that burden further.
4) Making the most out of farming/Production requires research, attention, observation, and planning
I love Farming. I also love being able to get comms I need for my crafting in bulk. Yes, I have farming artifacts (hoe, axe, scythe, and fertilizer), which makes it so much faster and boosts yield by a decent bit, but I happily loan them out to people who ask. But I spend maybe an hour at most tending to farms. And when I was managing around 10 different farms, it still didn't eat a ton of time as I'd just check on them whenever I wasn't doing anything else. Keep in mind, I also do a LOT of Provisioning stuff too, which is even more work. Want to know how I manage? One farm is all cows or split half between cows and a crop with regrowth. One field is all cotton, which I rotate to a Provisioning crop when autumn rolls around. Two or three fields dedicated exclusively to Provisioning crops. And one or two fields of just trees. This ensures I can fill whatever market orders I take with time to spare, and still have crops to turn into commodities to either keep for myself or sell.
Before every season, I plan how I'm going to make use of all the fields I have available, and I keep track of growth times. I also make sure that my fields are tilled and fertilized before every season so I don't have to spend a lot of time at once at the beginning of the season prepping and planting fields.
On the production side of things, I do a lot of 'shopping' too. I check the facility levels of every city, what their production queues look like and how long stuff takes, what the efficiency is, their tax rate per item, and also comm buy prices. And I check this BEFORE I even ship out stuff anywhere for processing. You want the best bang for your buck? You really have to pay attention, both on the city comm buying and taxing end and on the farmer/producer level.
5) You really have to get your head out of your butt and actually watch what other people are doing.
If the game is moving towards a player-run economy, people really need to understand just how economy is supposed to work. Its based on supply, demand, and competition. Everyone needs comms, and they want to essentially buy your business. If Spinesreach is offering a MUCH better rate on buying certain comms, I'm more likely to take my business there.
But the thing is you don't want to undercut the competition too much. Which is what tends to happen more noticeably with crafting stuff and ESPECIALLY curatives (another problematic can of worms I can rant about at length). Everyone starts with the same base cost with crops. Seed costs don't change. Growing seasons don't change. What's different is what each city charges in taxes, facility level (but even that will even out eventually), and what they'll buy certain comms for. The base price for every comm before production is roughly the same, so any buy price above that will yield profit - how much profit is dictated by the prices cities set, and each city will priorize different things, and essentially competing against each other for your comms. And you as a farmer/producer have to be aware of all of these factors. If you can't or are unwilling to do that, farming probably isn't for you.
I honestly really like the farming and production system, and I feel like you CAN make decent profit with it for relatively minimal effort. But if you want to get the most out of it, you HAVE to shop around. You have to decide right away if you're doing it to help out your city or if you're out to make money. If it's the latter, you really have to pay attention to things so you can k ow what to send where, and where to sell it after. But if it's the former... You're going to have to kind of kwityerbitchin and be willing to accept some loss or significantly less profits for the sake of furthering your city. Or you can go halfway and get stuff produced someplace with more efficient facilities and then sell em to your city for significantly less profit.
A player-run economy only works if stuff is moving around and people are wheeling and dealing. If you can't or won't, that's kind of on you, not the system.
1) A lack of understanding of supply and demand and how it SHOULD be influencing farming and production.
So. This bugs the everloving hell out of me. If you're a city leader, council member, or a minister or aide to the Trade ministry, you can see all the comms the city has. You should be keeping in mind total comm levels, what comms people are actually using or need, what's needed to upgrade and maintain facilities, and what you have an abundance or overabunance of. Why is this important? Because if you're doing the whole farming and producing comms thing to help keep your city stocked as opposed to doing it for profit, you SHOULD NOT be producing a ton of a comm your city doesn't actually need. Until recently, Enorian had been producing hemp out the wazoo and turning it into rope, and then the city was buying it at a high price. Despite, y'know, not actually needing any of it. I guess people saw the very fast growth and regrowth times and thought it'd be an awesome money maker.
Yeah, no. It doesn't work that way.
If you look at what rope is actually used in, it doesn't amount to a lot. So why produce so much of it?
Meanwhile, wood and leather are used in a lot more important things (like upgrading and maintaining facilities), but take a much longer time to actually farm. Unless a person is farming stuff to produce things to keep for themselves, cities have a lot of influence to nudge people into producing what it needs. Need wood? Increase the city buying price on wood while dropping the price on others to encourage the production of those comms.
2) Farming for self/profit vs Farming for city
While it's great when getting a nice profit and helping your city align, more than likely it's not, especially if the city you're in can't really afford to pay out as much for in-demand comms to remain competitive. So you really have to decide right away if you're farming and producing to make money or to produce comms for yourself to keep, you're going to be sending your stuff to where the taxes are lowest, facilities are upgraded for better efficiency, fastest or smallest queues, and then sell it to wherever has the highest buy price to make the most out of your efforts. For for-profit farmers, you're going to have to realize that you're going to be moving things around a lot, and not getting stuff produced all in the same place.
If you're farming and producing to help out your city or you're a super patriot and insist on producing everything in one city...I'm sorry, but you're going to have to accept that you might not be getting the most profit for your efforts if you receive any at all. If you're sincerely trying to help your city, you should be willing and able to take the losses. If a city can't afford gold compensation for the amount of work or comms, they really should be providing compensation some other way. If they can't find a solution that's satisfactory for you, well...might have to bite the damn bullet and sell to someplace that CAN.
3) Going 'all-in' vs Diversifying
So. Making all of your fields full of cows or cotton seems like a super amazing money-maker... Yeah, if you don't mind waiting ages for overloaded production facilities to finish with your stuff. You also run into the issue of potentially having so much of one thing that you'll drain a city's coffers. Diversifying allows you to 'spread your investments' around and also help alleviate production queues a little. Also, if you do Provisioning (which is another can of worms) it helps alleviate that burden further.
4) Making the most out of farming/Production requires research, attention, observation, and planning
I love Farming. I also love being able to get comms I need for my crafting in bulk. Yes, I have farming artifacts (hoe, axe, scythe, and fertilizer), which makes it so much faster and boosts yield by a decent bit, but I happily loan them out to people who ask. But I spend maybe an hour at most tending to farms. And when I was managing around 10 different farms, it still didn't eat a ton of time as I'd just check on them whenever I wasn't doing anything else. Keep in mind, I also do a LOT of Provisioning stuff too, which is even more work. Want to know how I manage? One farm is all cows or split half between cows and a crop with regrowth. One field is all cotton, which I rotate to a Provisioning crop when autumn rolls around. Two or three fields dedicated exclusively to Provisioning crops. And one or two fields of just trees. This ensures I can fill whatever market orders I take with time to spare, and still have crops to turn into commodities to either keep for myself or sell.
Before every season, I plan how I'm going to make use of all the fields I have available, and I keep track of growth times. I also make sure that my fields are tilled and fertilized before every season so I don't have to spend a lot of time at once at the beginning of the season prepping and planting fields.
On the production side of things, I do a lot of 'shopping' too. I check the facility levels of every city, what their production queues look like and how long stuff takes, what the efficiency is, their tax rate per item, and also comm buy prices. And I check this BEFORE I even ship out stuff anywhere for processing. You want the best bang for your buck? You really have to pay attention, both on the city comm buying and taxing end and on the farmer/producer level.
5) You really have to get your head out of your butt and actually watch what other people are doing.
If the game is moving towards a player-run economy, people really need to understand just how economy is supposed to work. Its based on supply, demand, and competition. Everyone needs comms, and they want to essentially buy your business. If Spinesreach is offering a MUCH better rate on buying certain comms, I'm more likely to take my business there.
But the thing is you don't want to undercut the competition too much. Which is what tends to happen more noticeably with crafting stuff and ESPECIALLY curatives (another problematic can of worms I can rant about at length). Everyone starts with the same base cost with crops. Seed costs don't change. Growing seasons don't change. What's different is what each city charges in taxes, facility level (but even that will even out eventually), and what they'll buy certain comms for. The base price for every comm before production is roughly the same, so any buy price above that will yield profit - how much profit is dictated by the prices cities set, and each city will priorize different things, and essentially competing against each other for your comms. And you as a farmer/producer have to be aware of all of these factors. If you can't or are unwilling to do that, farming probably isn't for you.
I honestly really like the farming and production system, and I feel like you CAN make decent profit with it for relatively minimal effort. But if you want to get the most out of it, you HAVE to shop around. You have to decide right away if you're doing it to help out your city or if you're out to make money. If it's the latter, you really have to pay attention to things so you can k ow what to send where, and where to sell it after. But if it's the former... You're going to have to kind of kwityerbitchin and be willing to accept some loss or significantly less profits for the sake of furthering your city. Or you can go halfway and get stuff produced someplace with more efficient facilities and then sell em to your city for significantly less profit.
A player-run economy only works if stuff is moving around and people are wheeling and dealing. If you can't or won't, that's kind of on you, not the system.
Re: Classlead frustrations.
Being someone who gives no fucks at all for tethers and has what I would say are good friends on both sides, I'll say I've seen the ugly side of both tethers. One thing that absolutely disgusts me is the very deeply rooted cliques that exist to the point where I can accurately predict who is going to like/agree comments based on who the poster is, often times regardless of the contents of the post.
People will do what people will do I guess, but the whole game would benefit from everyone just getting a thicker skin. It's really not that hard to be nice to people you disagree with, that's kinda an essential life skill anyway. We can have all the hatred we want for each other in character, but the mark of a good role player is being able to separate your character's feelings from your own.
Just my opinion.
People will do what people will do I guess, but the whole game would benefit from everyone just getting a thicker skin. It's really not that hard to be nice to people you disagree with, that's kinda an essential life skill anyway. We can have all the hatred we want for each other in character, but the mark of a good role player is being able to separate your character's feelings from your own.
Just my opinion.
Drystin
10
Re: Post Your Pictures!
I had taken a long vacation from the game last year. A lot in my life changed rapidly. I started working a new job, started a new relationship and then started the new journey of being a mom. My greatest accomplishment is how absolutely adorable my son is! He was born a week before my birthday, September 5th of 2019.
Everyone who hasn't already been showered, willingly or not, with pictures of his face, meet Rowan. I am in love, but that face, who could resist!
Everyone who hasn't already been showered, willingly or not, with pictures of his face, meet Rowan. I am in love, but that face, who could resist!
Nola
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