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Great! We've determined that both sides are given adequate lore to support why their cause is righteous and why the other cause is a blight, and why simply eradicating the other side isn't as black and white as it seems. The writing is quite deliberate.

Badgering one another back and forth about why your side is right is just shoddy OOC/IC separation.

i'm gonna regret getting involved, but i don't think the argument is about "which side is right" (it's neither, anyways). i think @Mephistoles is trying to show that, from an OOC perspective, the positions of Bamathis and, e.g., Enorian are formally isometric. the targets are different, but beyond arguing about whether a given target is an acceptable target for genocide - or whether a given target can be genocided, which frankly is the same thing in my opinion - it's the same basic action. the point of this demonstration, if i understand Mephi correctly, is that OOCly, we shouldn't be any more hung up on Bamathis than we are on Templar or w/e. our characters absolutely can (and should!) be, but i don't see there being a meaningful distinction between the intended goals on an OOC level, except that the faction Spirit wants to eliminate includes a whole group of other players whereas the Albedi are (intentionally, i think?) unavailable to players.

full disclosure: while i started and am once again on the Spirit tether, i've played on the Shadow tether the bulk of my time in Aetolia. i try not to buy my own bullshit regardless, but there you have it.

.... The trouble is I only have PCs that I can depend upon to give some information on it, who would all either have been taking part in the massacres directly or been trying to convert people to spare them. But point is - you don't have a victim's perspective at all. We only have the side of the attackers, only half the story. Furthermore, even if there are NPCs that are 'survivors' floating around, it basically depends on being around at the same time as a volunteer who is willing and able to RP things out and has enough knowledge of the events to RP everything out believably.

... "Is it right to genocide a foreign culture because it appears threatening to our own?" which is... a problematic question because there is only one socially acceptable answer. Here's a question that's topical, has staying power, and leaves a hell of a lot of room for nuance without drawing parallels to one of the worst regimes in history...

... Note, I don't know what question this storyline is trying to ask the playerbase, but if it's the first one then the parallels to Nazis or similar regimes are unavoidable for the faction doing the genociding and will piss off people if it's the faction players are expected to support.

Your city and guild advocate genocide of vampires and the undead. Your character, as a knight of the Templar, would almost certainly be in favor of the elimination (genocide by definition) of all undead.

Every question you're asking about Bamathis is applicable to my previous post about basically the entire spirit side as well as Ivoln and the Teradrim.

That's not even debatable. The subrace of vampires are not welcome and are to be eliminated by the perspective of Enorian. Undead as a subrace are not welcome and are to be eliminated. They should be converted or killed.

I don't see why Bamathis needs to be addressed more carefully. What's the distinction? Why is one fine but not the other?

And even if Bamathis is an evil, fascist god, so what? Let him be. This sounds like an interesting concept one way or the other. I don't need Bamathis to have targets who deserve it when the targets are text strings.

I showed a friend the last few comments between Lin and Teani and the response I got back was: "Actually, coming across severed heads and dismembered bodies is something I worry about BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING HAPPENED."
So, yeah, just want to point out that rl is unicorns scary, but we can't keep reading things into a game if that thing isn't there or if it has been explained. We are encouraged from the first few minutes in the game intro to kill a guard to escape slavery. Slavery exists. Murder exists. We don't seem to worried about those first few actions our characters make or the careers they choose, whether it is an illuminai or a terradrim.
There are corrupted characters all over, whether you want to admit it or not. People do nasty things that CAN and DO happen irl. Vivisection was just an example, but I can point out entire rp archs that some of you find perfectly alright that are just as messed up.

Hello,

I'm chiming in here about the above question only to offer some enlightenment on how the process of Gods work.

After a volunteer has gone through the interview process, and then been approved as a Celani, we go into training, if you will. From there, we have tasks and duties to perform before we are even allowed to touch a God Role.

When it comes to getting a role, however, we are granted the choice of only those on the opposing tether to our mortal. This is one of the measures we take partially to try and ensure there is no favouritism during your first steps in learning a shell. It helps us stretch outside our comfort zones and interact with the audience at large.

Please note that I wrote, "We are granted the choice." As volunteers, we are not forced, or asked, to play any role. We actually ask to play a specific, and available, role and either get accepted, or denied with a reason. With that in mind, Bamathis is no exception. If there is no volunteer interested in playing that role, then he will only be logged in if his presence is required for a major plot arc.

I hope this clarifies some of the misconception about the God process! It's as much as I can share.