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Re: Templar - Bladefire - Charging Changes
While there are a lot of problems with group combat in general, I wish this 'give up' mindset would just die in our playerbase.
Haven
5
Re: Commodity Production Ideas!
Okay, yeah, that's not really fun. In the past we've acknowledged it's wonky and that we're working on a solution, but this has escalated faster than anticipated. We're switching gears to focus on this as soon as possible.
Tiur
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Re: Commodity Production Ideas!
Alright. I want to show something here that I believe underlines a few huge flaws in the production system. Specifically, flaws in terms of "encouraging engagement".
Background:
My farming efforts of Hemp at this point is entirely donated to Bloodloch, in order to replenish the commodity-cost for upgrading the clothier to level 2. As such, Zaila has a TON of stuff in production because a lot of other citizens let her farm their plots for this purpose. And in order for cities to really be able to upgrade their facilities, there isn't really any other effective way to afford them without mass production efforts on that behalf.
Now, those facts are all relatively beside the point of the biggest flaw I want to point out.
That flaw is that Player capacity to grow and Harvest VASTLY out-paces the facility's capacity to process.
Right now, all these commodities are coming from me, sure. But Bloodloch's farmland is not being farmed anywhere near maximum capacity. This is a below-farming-capacity level of raw material production on display. And at this below-capacity farming effort, there is presently 187 DAYS of hemp in queue and 140 DAYS of Cotton.
Background:
My farming efforts of Hemp at this point is entirely donated to Bloodloch, in order to replenish the commodity-cost for upgrading the clothier to level 2. As such, Zaila has a TON of stuff in production because a lot of other citizens let her farm their plots for this purpose. And in order for cities to really be able to upgrade their facilities, there isn't really any other effective way to afford them without mass production efforts on that behalf.
Now, those facts are all relatively beside the point of the biggest flaw I want to point out.
That flaw is that Player capacity to grow and Harvest VASTLY out-paces the facility's capacity to process.
Right now, all these commodities are coming from me, sure. But Bloodloch's farmland is not being farmed anywhere near maximum capacity. This is a below-farming-capacity level of raw material production on display. And at this below-capacity farming effort, there is presently 187 DAYS of hemp in queue and 140 DAYS of Cotton.
--- THE CLOTHIER OF BLOODLOCH ------------------------------
Level: 2 TPI: 13m 46s
Apprentices: 1/1
Hemp Tax: 5 gp per item.
Cotton Tax: 5 gp per item.
The clothier will convert 4 hemp to 2 rope.
The clothier will convert 3 cotton to 1 cloth.
--- PRODUCTION QUEUE - Hemp --------------------------------
Pos. Item ETA Owner
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1. 814/1260 Hemps 102h 16m
2. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
3. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
4. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
5. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
6. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
7. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
8. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
9. 0/180 Hemps 41h 18m >>> You
10. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
11. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
12. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
13. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
14. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
15. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
16. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
17. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
18. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
19. 0/100 Hemps 22h 56m 40s
20. 0/20 Hemps 4h 35m 20s
21. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
22. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
23. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
24. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
25. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
26. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
27. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
28. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
29. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
30. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
31. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
32. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
33. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
34. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
35. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
36. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
37. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
38. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
39. 0/300 Hemps 68h 50m >>> You
40. 0/169 Hemps 38h 46m 34s >>> You
41. 0/412 Hemps 94h 31m 52s >>> You
42. 0/412 Hemps 94h 31m 52s >>> You
43. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
44. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
45. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
46. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
47. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
48. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
49. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
50. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
51. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
52. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
53. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
54. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
55. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
56. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
57. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
58. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
59. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
60. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
61. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
62. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
63. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
64. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
65. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
66. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
67. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
68. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
69. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
70. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
71. 0/316 Hemps 72h 30m 16s >>> You
------------------------------------------------------------
Total time remaining: 4497h 44m 2s
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--- PRODUCTION QUEUE - Cotton ------------------------------
Pos. Item ETA Owner
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1. 126/300 Cottons 39h 49m 14s >>> You
2. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
3. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
4. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
5. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
6. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
7. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
8. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
9. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
10. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
11. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
12. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
13. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
14. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
15. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
16. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
17. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
18. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
19. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
20. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
21. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
22. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
23. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
24. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
25. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
26. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
27. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
28. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
29. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
30. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
31. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
32. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
33. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
34. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
35. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
36. 0/300 Cottons 68h 50m >>> You
37. 0/28 Cottons 6h 25m 28s >>> You
38. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
39. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
40. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
41. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
42. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
43. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
44. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
45. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
46. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
47. 0/272 Cottons 62h 24m 32s >>> You
48. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
49. 0/315 Cottons 72h 16m 30s >>> You
50. 0/280 Cottons 64h 14m 40s >>> You
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Total time remaining: 7874h 49m 26s
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And I know there are many levels of what causes this imbalance. But I feel like there clearly IS a problem if the system is set up in a way that a below-capacity level of engagement with an activity creates a minimum 5-6 month delay in return on their efforts.
And the average player isn't even going to be seeing a ton of return on their time investment. Lets say a Bloodloch player wants to farm to produce cloth so they can really get into tailoring at an affordable-to-them cost. I'll even go bare-bones-cheap with it and assume they're putting in extra effort for minimal upfront cost & maximum return (one seed sack, no watersprites, yes fertilizer, no arti stuff, etc.) Here's what they have to look forward to:
One Farmplot:
10,000 Gold for the skill
3,400 Gold for necessary Supplies (seeds/sack/fertilizer/shed/scarecrow/hoe/scythe)
24 days of daily effort
One plot will yield ~ 660 cotton (this will vary depending on how fastidious you are about getting things harvested & watered IMMEDIATELY and fertilizer chance)
~ 2640 Gold for 22 rope (every 30 cotton requires 1 rope to "bundle" in order to ship it to your city)
Wait Six MORE Months.
Pay your city's taxes for production (at Bloodloch as a citizen this would be anther 3300 gold)
Get 220 Cloth
Total Investment:
Gold: 19,340
Effort: 24 Days of 5-25 minutes of watering/harvesting
Time: 7+ Months
Total Return:
220 Cloth.
Here's the five plot breakdown of Minimal-Cost return on your investment.
Total Investment:
Credits: 100
Gold: 37,400
Effort: 24 Days of 25-60 minutes of watering/harvesting
Time: 8+ Months (this will take more processing time to see a return on)
Total Return:
1100 Cloth.
And I know there are many levels of what causes this imbalance. But I feel like there clearly IS a problem if the system is set up in a way that a below-capacity level of engagement with an activity creates a minimum 5-6 month delay in return on their efforts.
And the average player isn't even going to be seeing a ton of return on their time investment. Lets say a Bloodloch player wants to farm to produce cloth so they can really get into tailoring at an affordable-to-them cost. I'll even go bare-bones-cheap with it and assume they're putting in extra effort for minimal upfront cost & maximum return (one seed sack, no watersprites, yes fertilizer, no arti stuff, etc.) Here's what they have to look forward to:
One Farmplot:
10,000 Gold for the skill
3,400 Gold for necessary Supplies (seeds/sack/fertilizer/shed/scarecrow/hoe/scythe)
24 days of daily effort
One plot will yield ~ 660 cotton (this will vary depending on how fastidious you are about getting things harvested & watered IMMEDIATELY and fertilizer chance)
~ 2640 Gold for 22 rope (every 30 cotton requires 1 rope to "bundle" in order to ship it to your city)
Wait Six MORE Months.
Pay your city's taxes for production (at Bloodloch as a citizen this would be anther 3300 gold)
Get 220 Cloth
Total Investment:
Gold: 19,340
Effort: 24 Days of 5-25 minutes of watering/harvesting
Time: 7+ Months
Total Return:
220 Cloth.
Here's the five plot breakdown of Minimal-Cost return on your investment.
Total Investment:
Credits: 100
Gold: 37,400
Effort: 24 Days of 25-60 minutes of watering/harvesting
Time: 8+ Months (this will take more processing time to see a return on)
Total Return:
1100 Cloth.
Zaila
8
Re: Quotes & Misquotes: Falling Off of Bridges
From out of nowhere...
(Armchair Science Society): Aloli says, "We don't talk about boobs all day though! we talk about other stuff...omg."
(Armchair Science Society): Aloli says, "..."
(Armchair Science Society): Aloli says, "..."
Benedicto
12
Re: Templar - Bladefire - Charging Changes
Hmmm. In that case I'm a little sympathetic to the Templar plight re: balance tbh. It kinda seems like they have several things that are *almost* great, and then have a downside that makes it frustrating. It does seem like the class could use some attention and playtesting, tbh.I think this is probably true of a two or three different classes from both sides of the tether.
Re: Quotes & Misquotes: Falling Off of Bridges
To make it even more fun:Moxie said:(Enorian): Benedicto says, "We seem to have a rather aggravated duck in the Temple gardens near the lighthouse. Does anyone speak duck?" (Dozen fowl puns later) (Enorian): Anka says, "How ya'll know its a girl duck." (Enorian): Anka says, "Who checked." (Enorian): Benedicto says, "It was the size of its.... flame....that gave it away."
Translate the word duck into Swedish and you get anka.
Teani
7
Re: Recent Concerns Regarding Bamathis
I feel like it's really more a matter of perception. What spirit wants to do to the undead of any kind is absolutely genocide of a type. Specicide? Whatever. Total eradication is what it is. Of course, Shadow doesn't want that, they want to keep having their cake and eating it too as they flaunt their status as free from the Cycle. Meanwhile they want to essentially enslave us mortals as cattle and zoo attractions.
If you start with WE all exist in Aetolia, instead of WE on our particular tether, it becomes a bit easier to see things clearly as far as perceptions and stances. Then you can slowly lower yourself to the WE that is an individual tether, and then from tether to city, so on and so forth. Living and undead are just two sides of the same coin named We Exist. We just choose to do it in some different ways.
Darim
6