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It seems like ya'll don't even care that we're part of the playerbase too, and it feels like you really just want your wins despite your arguments otherwise, due to the utter lack of ability to come to the table and talk to us like we're partners in the game. It's like kids, one really wants to play chess because they like the strategy and know the rules so can win. The other doesn't like chess, and would rather play a different game. The first won't even negotiate or compromise on finding a different game that has *elements of chess* but has some aspects the other kid would enjoy too.

We do care that you're part of the playerbase, but the problem is you all think that there's only one way to play the game too and that any sort of conflict/raiding/combat is 'bad'. If the Admin would actually define what Aetolia is supposed to be, then perhaps this mindset might either be confirmed or denied.

I like to do everything in Aetolia, I find enjoyment in pk, bashing, politics, shopkeeping, mudsex, all of it. Every last bit of it, I indulge in and enjoy. The game is much more fun that way. There seems to be a vast majority of people who only like one or two of these things.

I think that if @Razmael would actually tell us what he envisions his game to be then we might all actually have a better idea of what to expect moving forward. Is Aetolia a game driven by conflict? Is Aetolia a game driven by non-coms making helpfiles and crafting? Is it supposed to be both? Is it supposed to be skewed towards one or the other? I honestly have no idea, and until we're told what to expect, noone in this argument is going to be correct.