Looking for more active discussion? Join our Discord at https://discord.gg/x2s7fY6
Best Of
Re: Mirror classes
Color me shocked, but I can't agree with @Jhin's explanation of the idea enough; you aren't baking a second pie(new content), you're dividing the original slices into two(recycling the basic premise of a class). I won't pretend that mirror classes aren't taking some level of work to accomplish, but it definitely feels as if the core functions of those new classes are already done. This isn't Keroc completely revamping Zealot, or (insert whoever actually did the legwork) completely reworking the Mage classes - the fundamentals are already there.
10/10 make class specific artifacts transfer over to their mirror, to do anything else feels vaguely money-grabby.
10/10 make class specific artifacts transfer over to their mirror, to do anything else feels vaguely money-grabby.
Naos
5
Re: Mirror classes
Mirror Templar would have to use the same weapons, as Templar's thing is 'alltheweapons'. But like.. MirrorCarni doesn't have to use a hammer if we give them something that fits all of the hammer's key points. Two handed, forged, stats in range x-y, blunt damage type, etc. It could even be a two handed crystal that summons magical rocks that smack people around, as long as the crystal is made by forging, has the same speed range as a hammer, and the effect is ultimately blunt damage. Frying pan using magical princess class with pet chameleons instead of hounds, even.
At the very best, you guys are only convincing me that a one time cheaperthing should happen. New shiny RP opens on the other tether, I could see making it easier to move over to it. But long term, I don't really see why a class with similar code, but different RP, is a division of content and requires a discount to shift to. It's like claiming that adding another race that doesn't have new raceskills cheapens all the other races. Which I guess is maybe what you're saying? I just don't agree.
E: I forgot to address timing. One is nearly done, the other needs a bit. We had a loooong talk and figured it's not fair to make one tether wait extra. So we're a few weeks behind. Once Mining is clear I'll have Raz back and it should be smoother scheduling, we've suffered for having him sidelined for so long. Also I hurt myself and it's limiting my computer time.
At the very best, you guys are only convincing me that a one time cheaperthing should happen. New shiny RP opens on the other tether, I could see making it easier to move over to it. But long term, I don't really see why a class with similar code, but different RP, is a division of content and requires a discount to shift to. It's like claiming that adding another race that doesn't have new raceskills cheapens all the other races. Which I guess is maybe what you're saying? I just don't agree.
E: I forgot to address timing. One is nearly done, the other needs a bit. We had a loooong talk and figured it's not fair to make one tether wait extra. So we're a few weeks behind. Once Mining is clear I'll have Raz back and it should be smoother scheduling, we've suffered for having him sidelined for so long. Also I hurt myself and it's limiting my computer time.
Tiur
5
Re: Mirror classes
I could likely give some updates as to what's happening! The second class is Raz's baby, and while messages are getting written and plans made, it needs his attention, or me to finish mine.
I really thought we could do one by the 31st and another after that really quick, but it was pointed out to me that any mistakes or problems had really bad optics. We took a long talk, because we covered like... is missing a deadline worse than looking to favor one tether over another? Players are pretty understanding, but how many days does the understanding last? And we came to: They need to be released within the same week. The best understanding we could get would be the events: we don't want them to overlap, and that's something we can't change, so that's the best plan.
We got some stuff pre-built for the events, unfortunately we did it in opposite order, so I still need to push things to builders for the nearly finished mirror. The class itself is getting there, I've put in all the bifurcations and a message splitter, so it's fiddly things like affliction masking left to do. Hunting down everywhere the affliction shows and making sure that the new one shows instead for the new class, then sitting down and thinking through to make sure I didn't miss any instances where it should overlap or not overlap.
I also spent most of this week sleep deprived because my hand hurts so bad. I haven't gotten an ortho visit yet, because this is america and it takes a few weeks, so fun. Most likely I have carpal tunnel, or something is exacerbating a pinched nerve that I've always had. So I've been one handed coding, which takes some adaptation.Trial and error will teach me the correct amount of rest/work I can do so I can get back to normal. Taking yesterday off let me sleep a whole night! I'm sure you guys know what I mean, I don't think I've taken a whole day without typing since my honeymoon. (Basically I wake up around 2am with my left hand frozen in a claw because the tendons are inflamed. This is a problem I had as a kid when I broke my radius and ulna, and living in the middle of nowhere, had to kinda hold them together with a magazine and rubberbands for a while until I could get to a doctor, why it chose to skip the intervening 25 years, I have no clue) Not an attempt at pity! Everyone has problems that they have to adjust their life around so that they can work. That's actually why I typo so much and don't fix it! My pinky doesn't always work and I've kinda just given up on caring.
One other slow down we've hit is that, frankly, some of the older messages in the game SUCK. It feels really weird to look at a boring AF instakill, then mirror it into something super neat and special. So I okayed fixing the old class a bit. It's not a big bump at all, but dang... I never realized how bad some of the old classes are
That's likely a clue as to which one's being mirrored.
I think that's it? I'm back to coding today, and the bossfight for Revenant will be super neat and I'm vibrating in excitement to get to it. I'll try to update more often with what we're doing!
I really thought we could do one by the 31st and another after that really quick, but it was pointed out to me that any mistakes or problems had really bad optics. We took a long talk, because we covered like... is missing a deadline worse than looking to favor one tether over another? Players are pretty understanding, but how many days does the understanding last? And we came to: They need to be released within the same week. The best understanding we could get would be the events: we don't want them to overlap, and that's something we can't change, so that's the best plan.
We got some stuff pre-built for the events, unfortunately we did it in opposite order, so I still need to push things to builders for the nearly finished mirror. The class itself is getting there, I've put in all the bifurcations and a message splitter, so it's fiddly things like affliction masking left to do. Hunting down everywhere the affliction shows and making sure that the new one shows instead for the new class, then sitting down and thinking through to make sure I didn't miss any instances where it should overlap or not overlap.
I also spent most of this week sleep deprived because my hand hurts so bad. I haven't gotten an ortho visit yet, because this is america and it takes a few weeks, so fun. Most likely I have carpal tunnel, or something is exacerbating a pinched nerve that I've always had. So I've been one handed coding, which takes some adaptation.Trial and error will teach me the correct amount of rest/work I can do so I can get back to normal. Taking yesterday off let me sleep a whole night! I'm sure you guys know what I mean, I don't think I've taken a whole day without typing since my honeymoon. (Basically I wake up around 2am with my left hand frozen in a claw because the tendons are inflamed. This is a problem I had as a kid when I broke my radius and ulna, and living in the middle of nowhere, had to kinda hold them together with a magazine and rubberbands for a while until I could get to a doctor, why it chose to skip the intervening 25 years, I have no clue) Not an attempt at pity! Everyone has problems that they have to adjust their life around so that they can work. That's actually why I typo so much and don't fix it! My pinky doesn't always work and I've kinda just given up on caring.
One other slow down we've hit is that, frankly, some of the older messages in the game SUCK. It feels really weird to look at a boring AF instakill, then mirror it into something super neat and special. So I okayed fixing the old class a bit. It's not a big bump at all, but dang... I never realized how bad some of the old classes are
That's likely a clue as to which one's being mirrored. I think that's it? I'm back to coding today, and the bossfight for Revenant will be super neat and I'm vibrating in excitement to get to it. I'll try to update more often with what we're doing!
Tiur
7
Re: Drawings of Aetolia
Mjoll by the wonderful Guttertongue (@guttertongue on twitter) LOOK. AT. HER.
edit: dflskjfsdlk IT WONT LOAD
edit: dflskjfsdlk IT WONT LOAD
Mjoll
27
Re: RL Struggles, Strife, and Sadnesses
It has been a rough couple months for me, and I am just coming to vent.
When I moved back across country, I moved in with the parents until I could get back on my feet and get my own place. It has seemed like I was just needed to be here. At the end of the year, they found a brain tumor in my mother. She has native health care, and they just flat out denied even sending her to a neurologist, citing potential cost as the reason for denial. It has now been like 3-4 months of her appealing it and they have not even answered. It seriously affects her way of life, and I eventually worked out some CBD products that allow her to be mostly functional. On top of that, a couple of weeks ago a pet gate fell on her foot, and cause an internal infection. My former mother in law, has her own medical issues and has to have surgery to potentially avoid ovarian cancer. My grandmother has had stage 4 lung cancer for over a year, and we can hardly even visit due to COVID or potentially exposing her to -any- sickness.
On top of all this, my work, which I loved quite a bit, decided that I had missed too much work due to children or taking care of my mother, and fired me. I had been expecting it, because my supervisor kept railing at me about how I needed to fix shit and make better priorities. Finding a job that works with scheduling and not forcing me to pay massive amounts for childcare is super difficult, and I am stressed about that working out. I at least have Door Dash and other delivery things I can do to make some money in the mean time, but its not a steady, regular amount of pay.
I am staying positive, but I am already on board the fuck 2021 train.
When I moved back across country, I moved in with the parents until I could get back on my feet and get my own place. It has seemed like I was just needed to be here. At the end of the year, they found a brain tumor in my mother. She has native health care, and they just flat out denied even sending her to a neurologist, citing potential cost as the reason for denial. It has now been like 3-4 months of her appealing it and they have not even answered. It seriously affects her way of life, and I eventually worked out some CBD products that allow her to be mostly functional. On top of that, a couple of weeks ago a pet gate fell on her foot, and cause an internal infection. My former mother in law, has her own medical issues and has to have surgery to potentially avoid ovarian cancer. My grandmother has had stage 4 lung cancer for over a year, and we can hardly even visit due to COVID or potentially exposing her to -any- sickness.
On top of all this, my work, which I loved quite a bit, decided that I had missed too much work due to children or taking care of my mother, and fired me. I had been expecting it, because my supervisor kept railing at me about how I needed to fix shit and make better priorities. Finding a job that works with scheduling and not forcing me to pay massive amounts for childcare is super difficult, and I am stressed about that working out. I at least have Door Dash and other delivery things I can do to make some money in the mean time, but its not a steady, regular amount of pay.
I am staying positive, but I am already on board the fuck 2021 train.
Minaret
9
Re: Challenger Deep 0.5 (Public Release)
No hacky nonsense, no lazy workarounds. No spamming ent orders every balance or making sure you're mounted every single prompt.
I'm feeling personally attacked please help.
I'm feeling personally attacked please help.
Bulrok
5
Re: Challenger Deep 0.5 (Public Release)
#6: An example of how to write an emote as a natural sentence.My dyslexic self liked this so I put it in. If you use ^ for your name, you can write a full EMOTE sentence without any need of ( or ).
And so continues the tradition of Aetolia implementing neat things from Lin's system.
Razmael
6
Re: A Comprehensive Request Thread for new Aetolian Items (starting with the best one!)
There isn't a 'why tf' reaction so I'm posting instead.
Bulrok
5
Re: Quotes & Misquotes: Falling Off of Bridges
Today, on Perfectly Timed Didi Shouts:
(Tells): In Fae, you tell Lin, "Remember how many of those mesh leotards I would go through a week?"
Didi Lionheart's voice resonates across the land, "Rip n tear."
(Tells): In Fae, you tell Lin, "Remember how many of those mesh leotards I would go through a week?"
Didi Lionheart's voice resonates across the land, "Rip n tear."
Sibatti
11