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Re: Orrery Introduction
Can we please stagger the times that the orrery is active? With the way time flows in game, it will always start at 8:00pm CST and end at 12:00 noon CST forty hours later.
Since the last 12 hours are the only ones that really matter, this means that people who live in Europe/don't work day shift/are unemployed have total control of the orrery -every- round that it's active.
I spent 12 hours yesterday bashing my head against a wall doing suicide distraction runs to bring that damn thing from spirit level 3 to shadow level 2 just to wake up this morning to see that 6 hours later, all of it was undone because Spirit side has the luxury of being awake at this hour. By the time the orrery locks in another 5 globe spawning rounds, they'll at least be at level 3 because we just won't have the numbers to contest.
Until the times on the orrery get staggered, we won't see anything other than Spirit controlling it. I don't like working my ass off so that people who go uncontested can sit there and take it all away.
Since the last 12 hours are the only ones that really matter, this means that people who live in Europe/don't work day shift/are unemployed have total control of the orrery -every- round that it's active.
I spent 12 hours yesterday bashing my head against a wall doing suicide distraction runs to bring that damn thing from spirit level 3 to shadow level 2 just to wake up this morning to see that 6 hours later, all of it was undone because Spirit side has the luxury of being awake at this hour. By the time the orrery locks in another 5 globe spawning rounds, they'll at least be at level 3 because we just won't have the numbers to contest.
Until the times on the orrery get staggered, we won't see anything other than Spirit controlling it. I don't like working my ass off so that people who go uncontested can sit there and take it all away.
Fezzix
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Re: Regarding the 'no quest information' forum rule.
Devil's advocate here, how would you rationalize your character having knowledge of how to complete a quest that you as a player learned of in a 100% out-of-character environment?
Sure, you as a player may know that you need to visit Todorf the Grand in Delve, find his lost cat in room vnum22345, know it only comes to you with food that can be purchased in the shop at vnum1123 after saying the words "cat food", then lured towards you by LURE CAT WITH FOOD, and subsequently brought back to Todorf for a reward..
..but how does your character suddenly know all of that? If you were caught by another player and asked in game "Wow, how'd you know exactly where to find that cat and the food it needed? How'd you know the shopkeeper sells cat food?" does it get brushed off with an "Ehh, lucky guess" type deal? If that's justifiable and allowed, where do we draw the line with bringing out of character knowledge into the game?
Disclaimer: This is just my two cents, not an administrative viewing or ruling on the matter or anything please don't sue me. Also please help Todorf find his cat guys, he's really worried.
Sure, you as a player may know that you need to visit Todorf the Grand in Delve, find his lost cat in room vnum22345, know it only comes to you with food that can be purchased in the shop at vnum1123 after saying the words "cat food", then lured towards you by LURE CAT WITH FOOD, and subsequently brought back to Todorf for a reward..
..but how does your character suddenly know all of that? If you were caught by another player and asked in game "Wow, how'd you know exactly where to find that cat and the food it needed? How'd you know the shopkeeper sells cat food?" does it get brushed off with an "Ehh, lucky guess" type deal? If that's justifiable and allowed, where do we draw the line with bringing out of character knowledge into the game?
Disclaimer: This is just my two cents, not an administrative viewing or ruling on the matter or anything please don't sue me. Also please help Todorf find his cat guys, he's really worried.
Buford
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Re: Regarding the 'no quest information' forum rule.
I don't justify knowing quests between alts as it is, I don't really see how it matters. Quests themselves often pop up arbitrarily and inform you how to complete them - do you need to justify that information being IC as well?
@Teani: don't you think that mode of thinking is a little exclusionary? What actual effort has been made other than spending enough time being part of the game community to have picked the information up? Are gold quests even 'secret' at this point, when asking someone even briefly ingame will get you several?
@Teani: don't you think that mode of thinking is a little exclusionary? What actual effort has been made other than spending enough time being part of the game community to have picked the information up? Are gold quests even 'secret' at this point, when asking someone even briefly ingame will get you several?
Mihaketi
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Re: Regarding the 'no quest information' forum rule.
Because it ruins in game player interactions. If you could find every bit of information you ever need on forums, in Discord, through skype, etc.... what is even the point of talking to ANYONE in the game??
Rhyot
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Re: Regarding the 'no quest information' forum rule.
I find your final question a bit aggressive and a tad bit insulting. But, be that as it may, I'll respond anyway.
Socializing is unnecessary. I hardly do any of it outside of giving someone a hard time or when someone approaches me about something, to include how to gain gold.
Crafting doesn't really require a whole lot of communication.
Buying things requires 0 communication now that there is the Directory in each city to help you find things.
Pursuing politics is a choice.
Playing the game is such a vague suggestion that I'm not even going to entertain the reasons behind communication in that regard.
In any case, you asked why we aren't allowed to make forum posts regarding gold quests. The answer is exactly like I said before. It would ruin in game interactions. Communication over which quests provide the best money, quickest money, etc is critical to rapport building and character interactions. Additionally, if novices/newbs could just jump on forums and find every bit of information regarding gold quests, there would be no need for them to ask on GT/CT how they could possibly gain gold, where to go to gain gold, who to talk to to gain gold, etc. It would eliminate that line of communication, which for a novice, is quite critical.
If you want to make a GHELP/CHELP file regarding every last gold quest in the game and do it from Point A-Z, then that's on you and you are well within your right to do so. At least then you could just refer them to GHELP NEWBTUBING and be on your way. I find some of the best communications are done when people are legitimately asking for help with where to hunt or how to gain gold.
Socializing is unnecessary. I hardly do any of it outside of giving someone a hard time or when someone approaches me about something, to include how to gain gold.
Crafting doesn't really require a whole lot of communication.
Buying things requires 0 communication now that there is the Directory in each city to help you find things.
Pursuing politics is a choice.
Playing the game is such a vague suggestion that I'm not even going to entertain the reasons behind communication in that regard.
In any case, you asked why we aren't allowed to make forum posts regarding gold quests. The answer is exactly like I said before. It would ruin in game interactions. Communication over which quests provide the best money, quickest money, etc is critical to rapport building and character interactions. Additionally, if novices/newbs could just jump on forums and find every bit of information regarding gold quests, there would be no need for them to ask on GT/CT how they could possibly gain gold, where to go to gain gold, who to talk to to gain gold, etc. It would eliminate that line of communication, which for a novice, is quite critical.
If you want to make a GHELP/CHELP file regarding every last gold quest in the game and do it from Point A-Z, then that's on you and you are well within your right to do so. At least then you could just refer them to GHELP NEWBTUBING and be on your way. I find some of the best communications are done when people are legitimately asking for help with where to hunt or how to gain gold.
Rhyot
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Re: Cabalists
This is another one of those times where certain people make an ass of themselves on the forums by posting about things they don't seem to know much/anything about, and by demonstrating an impressive lack of empathy and/or manners. Losing your guild sucks and hurts and you feel like all the work you did is gone. I wish all you Cabbages the best and hope where ever the SRS and the like winds up going, you keep trying to break reality in new and exciting ways.
Toz
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Re: Cabalists
... Losing your guild sucks and hurts and you feel like all the work you did is gone. I wish all you Cabbages the best and hope where ever the SRS and the like winds up going, you keep trying to break reality in new and exciting ways.Agree with this wholeheartedly. Regardless of someone's past experiences with the Cabalists, there's no denying that the Cabal was a guild that had a rich history in Aetolia. You had some of the biggest names in the past come from the guild and there's no denying that they were a distinct part of Spirean culture in game and formed a large backbone for the roleplay of its members. I mean, when I think about Cabalists, the first names that come to my mind are @Eleanor, @Akaryuterra, @Desian, Yusri (@Mihaketi), and more. @Eleanor and @Akaryuterra poured a ton of time and effort to help define the Cabalists as time went on.
Seriously, this sucks for them regardless of one's in-game stance or personal feelings on the guild as a whole. I can only hope that the revamp for the class comes swiftly and offers a chance to give the new guild an enticing and rich background as many of the previous Cabalists helped define before.
Seir
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Re: Cabalists
This is another one of those times where certain people make an unicorns of themselves on the forums by posting about things they don't seem to know much/anything about, and by demonstrating an impressive lack of empathy and/or manners. Losing your guild sucks and hurts and you feel like all the work you did is gone. I wish all you Cabbages the best and hope where ever the SRS and the like winds up going, you keep trying to break reality in new and exciting ways.Because I can't agree enough and on top of that it's people who are not even in the guild or playing characters on the shadow side just shitting on the player base of those guilds. Going on and on, disagreeing with posts and being shits about the whole thing.
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Such a negative attitude towards the displaced players, it's disgusting.
Xenia
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Re: Cabalists
It also involves a lot of internal drama when there is this 'Secrets' and 'Private Research' where everyone is quite literally trying to be the biggest snowflake they can be and one-up the others around them. I can tell by the way you talk about it that the guild was more a personal event than a collective one and that is not the purpose of guilds.
The harder you cling to the dying class and its faulty lore, the longer it will take for it to come around again.There are not reasonable or civil things to say without evidence or explanation, and I really question what you're basing your judgements on because it doesn't match with my experience in the slightest. What was faulty about the lore? A lot of it was built by players to explain mechanical limitations and pave over odd disparities between how the skills were presented and how they behaved in truth. How was someone pursuing a personal interest as a scientist as """special snowflake""" (good lord I loathe that term)? The guild's focus on personal exploration and acting as a support structure rather than a vehicle for pursuing the game's conflicts is why it was unhealthy -as a guild-, but that doesn't somehow mean that anyone who enjoyed it isn't allowed to hope that some aspect of that survives the removal of the org without being labelled a snowflake.
Additionally, as far as I am aware you yourself left the Cabalists to pursue your own """special snowflake""" RP, so throwing people who you've never met under the bus because of your own bad blood with the old guild is probably not something you want to be doing in this thread.
Mihaketi
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Re: Cabalists
No, the class doesn't belong to your guild-now-clan. It belongs to everyone who happens to have it. That selfishness may hinder the Cabal (or what they'll be called next) rebirth. It's all about attitude. The harder you cling to the dying class and its faulty lore, the longer it will take for it to come around again.
As to my inquiry about the Revamp, I ask for the sake of the guild it is tied to, that is now lost. I'm more than aware there are many Cabalist-users out there, but if Zealot were getting a Revamp, it would make sense for the Illuminai to want to know the details. As it does here, with the guild-now-clan this class belongs to.
Leana
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