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Will nudge this, there have been NUMEROUS times when the spirit side has been VASTLY outnumbered by shadow, times when your primary combatants are around and really put a hurting on us. Yet we are not complaining about how you guys are op and how things are swinging in your favor, we plan, we adapt and make it work for -our- numbers.

That being said, adaption is key one thing doesn't work try something else, keep changing it up, because we will continue to assault the weaknesses you all have by approaching the -same- way. If you plan right you won't die. EU timezone really misses a TON of events, but you all don't see them coming to forums crying about it. They suck it up and find a way to make it work for them.

There is no reason that in EU off times no one is trying we can be standing there twiddling our thumbs with 3-4 people when shadow vastly outnumbers and -could- strike for a win but they don't (call it lack of initiative or whatever.). Shit happens you saying spirit gets all these benefits, no we just hone in on our strengths whatever is weak for one person, is someone elses strong suit.

If you are really getting that bent out of shape over a -game- I strongly suggest you find a different outlet. It is a GAME, not real life, this is not supposed to bring stress or whatever to you, if I start getting frustrated I tell my team hey I am out this run getting frustrated and they accept that. Know your limits and know when to step away.

Yes. I know. I'm going to point out the fact now that I realize how much your solution benefits the side that has it at the end, depending on which time zone it's in. It almost guarantees that time zone the win. If it is in a time zone that benefits Spirit, we are guaranteed to win if the final time block does not benefit Shadow and vice versa. This is objectively worse than what currently exists. The Orrery has large benefits and that is why it is a slog, but it is nowhere near the level of commitment that war was by comparison of conflict systems with large time sinks. This is also why the Orrery's activity is spaced out, so that people DON'T get burned out by it. Eventually, Aetolia's community has to come to a conclusion: do you want conflict systems with largely irrelevant benefits that occur so commonly that no one cares about them? Or, do you want conflict systems that require an investment of time but make you feel as if you gave a large contribution to your organization and made some kind of noticeable change on the world itself? The major/lesser/minor system is the former and the Orrery and by extension, war, is the latter.



I play a number of classes and I swap between the ones that I feel benefit my group more at the time or, more likely, I'm playing whatever I feel is role play appropriate at the time. Shaman is one of them. I specifically played Shaman, however, because I wanted to try it and not because of any deep desire to counter Shadow. However, I can yank past mass in Overgrowth and Shadow realized that they needed to actually bring a Teradrim after it happened a number of times to you. Once you brought one, however, you weren't immediately yanked. The odds of you still dying regardless are large, however, because you're a target caller, you're artifacted, and you snipe. Thus, Spirit will remove you quickly regardless of a Shaman being present if we have the ability to do so. We also could've, and did, beckon you or someone else as soon as you entered regardless of me yanking. Spirit was coordinated on this front and we specifically had it out to target you first. Believe me when I understand how frustrating it is to die first, but such is the life of being a high-priority target.

As for Icewalls, we did put up Icewalls. As I said though, they affect us adversely and in order to get around short of tumbling everywhere, our fighters have to melt the icewall to come assist the person who is attacking the Syssin and trying to hinder them. What happened yesterday though, when our fighters came to assist and rout the Syssin that were sneak infusing, is that they immediately evaded once the icewall was melted. Icewalls are in this case a double-edged sword. Naturalism Hinder is also a double-edged sword as it affects everyone, including myself. I CAN consume it, but that will get rid of my manually raised overgrowth as Greenfoot overgrowth will fade when I move. I need to sustain my manually raised overgrowth in the event that Shadow re-positioned their group elsewhere. Also, checking my logs yesterday, Rizgar was using Kai Cripple on Syssin, including you. Please note, I'm not arguing that there's counter play against Syssin nor that Evade is the issue. I'm arguing that the risk involved is smaller and one Syssin can unphase outside of the main group and can undo a lot of progress made by the side that has been in actual control of the Orrery and has been routing the other side repeatedly. This is a disproportionate amount of effort by comparison for the parties involved.

Regarding Squelched: If Squelched doesn't stop Devotion Deliverance but Lust/Empress IS stopped by Squelch, then BUG it or liaison it. I'd support that change. However, there is the issue that Lust/Empress has an offensive AND defensive use while Deliverance is purely defensive. Otherwise, monolith up the place. Deliverance has counter play in the form of a commonly available enchantment, but it is a double-edged sword to some extent. However, monoliths can be destroyed. If you drop multiple in other rooms, however, Deliverance probably won't happen. You hitting the person by themselves, however, is not going to stop them. Just as me trying to hinder you yesterday didn't stop you from getting away when I tried to pin you down. Aetolia has always been a place where if someone doesn't want to fight, they'll get away with ease usually. This is a necessary evil, however, as gank squads would be more powerful than they already are otherwise.

Edit: Worth noting that you guys had more people than us a lot of the time as well. However, once you were pulled @Fezzix, your group didn't immediately come to help you and entered a Rite of Warding'd room individually without a Teradrim for the first few skirmishes. This allowed me to move out and pull your fighters out repeatedly and split the group up. If I noticed my side was dying, I immediately went in, picked up bodies, and revived them. Did this to @Aisling a number of times. Spirit really was coordinated during those fights, and I don't think this is something they should penalized for.

Can we please stagger the times that the orrery is active? With the way time flows in game, it will always start at 8:00pm CST and end at 12:00 noon CST forty hours later.

Since the last 12 hours are the only ones that really matter, this means that people who live in Europe/don't work day shift/are unemployed have total control of the orrery -every- round that it's active.

I spent 12 hours yesterday bashing my head against a wall doing suicide distraction runs to bring that damn thing from spirit level 3 to shadow level 2 just to wake up this morning to see that 6 hours later, all of it was undone because Spirit side has the luxury of being awake at this hour. By the time the orrery locks in another 5 globe spawning rounds, they'll at least be at level 3 because we just won't have the numbers to contest.

Until the times on the orrery get staggered, we won't see anything other than Spirit controlling it. I don't like working my unicorns off so that people who go uncontested can sit there and take it all away.

Disagree with this for the same reasons I disagreed with staggered war times. Not everyone plays on the same time zone and there is no reason to disqualify those who do play in different time zones solely because of where they live.

And honestly, those suicide squads last night were annoying primarily because Shadow was just throwing themselves at us while a bunch of random Syssin or non-combatants went in and infused. There's hardly any risk to it and I think you should be motivated to at least have some semblance of control over the Orrery before you're able to have any noticeable effect with infusions. I'd be in favor of weakened infusions while individuals of the opposite tether are present in the Orrery and not phased/lightformed/blackwinded within the Orrery itself, proportional to how many are in there. That's just me though, and I'll leave it up to the administration on how they feel about it.

Edit: I'd like to add that I don't think there's an absence of counter play towards the Syssin and non-combatants doing sneak infusions while the main group engages, but it really doesn't make sense at how this can set back the side that is repeatedly repelling the main force at least ten times nor with the fact at how much escape utility Syssin has at their disposal. It took cubes, monoliths, icewalls (which affect us as well), and other various forms of active hinder just to stop ONE Syssin from infusing repeatedly. Additionally, we hardly made any noticeable gains in infusions despite defeating Shadow until they stopped completely for a bit.