Changes to Gold Drops

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  • MalokMalok Member Posts: 529 ✭✭✭✭
    Sooo, I don't know anything about comms, and I wouldn't even call myself an active player in Aetolia at the moment, but I just got done powerbashing a friend of mine through Xaanhal, and upon seeing that mobs that used to give me 80 gold per kill now give me 8 to 12 gold per kill, I just kinda lost all interest in bashing.

    I understand all this economy stuff, what I don't understand is how some people lose sight of this being a game, and games are supposed to be fun and rewarding, or fun through being rewarding, and cutting gold drops down to 10% of what they were while nothing else seems to have changed in price is really, really not fun.

    I'm gonna go back to my hole now and shake my head and chuckle at this design decision. Good day.
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  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    The gold nerf is a relatively new thing. Give it time and let the economy catch up to where the gold drops are at. Economy doesn't change over night, its a gradual thing.

    Still loving the changes, btw.
    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • KehanniKehanni TexasMember Posts: 3
    Per the post, the purpose of the changes is to essentially 'break even' - to not be able to turn hunting (and possibly in the future questing) into a moneymaking venture. As a newbie who's used to paying for armour, clothing, comms, etc. with gold from hunting in Achaea this is mildly terrifying. I totally understand wanting people to buy credits OOCly versus ICly, but how are people then supposed to make money to pay for non-credit items that need to be paid with gold ICly (aside from things like shopkeeping and selling credits for gold)? Does that only leave fishing?
  • DristinDristin Member Posts: 625 Immortal
    Kehanni said:

    Per the post, the purpose of the changes is to essentially 'break even' - to not be able to turn hunting (and possibly in the future questing) into a moneymaking venture. As a newbie who's used to paying for armour, clothing, comms, etc. with gold from hunting in Achaea this is mildly terrifying. I totally understand wanting people to buy credits OOCly versus ICly, but how are people then supposed to make money to pay for non-credit items that need to be paid with gold ICly (aside from things like shopkeeping and selling credits for gold)? Does that only leave fishing?

    We have a high volume of quests in numerous zones that reward more gold. It's simply the specific corpse-style turn-ins that were nerfed down. There are thousands upon thousands of gold in fairly simple quests that just require discovery and waiting for quest items to repop. I'm gradually working on updating older zones to have their quests easier to find, along with some other team members, but it'll take time. Exploration can be fun!
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Before mobs dropped gold commonly we had to hunt vermin, know gold quests, and play the comms/credits market where you could. It's possible to do, though it isn't as easy as what we just left. I remember it not being fun to rat hunt for elixer/vials costing 300-1200 per.
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  • EzalorEzalor Emperor D'baen CanadaMember Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vermin hasn't been nerfed and most of the non-bashing quests haven't either. The gold nerf actually shouldn't hurt new players too badly as the vast majority of bashing gold is/was being monopolized by a few power bashers. Just need a way to get the existing hoards of gold out of circulation and things probably won't look too bad.
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  • TrikalTrikal Member Posts: 160 ✭✭✭
    Jensen said:

    Before mobs dropped gold commonly we had to hunt vermin, know gold quests, and play the comms/credits market where you could. It's possible to do, though it isn't as easy as what we just left. I remember it not being fun to rat hunt for elixer/vials costing 300-1200 per.

    I never really understood why npc gold drops were added, I came back after a long time and was really surprised at how I didn't have to do any of the quests I used to do when I noticed that just bashing Tiyen was way better time spent and got tons of experience too. I used to run plenty of quests that net good gold, and they still exist and I still do them occasionally. @Dristin is adding them to the quest system which makes me both happy and sad because my secret gold quests might be quite a bit less secret but that's still fair. There's so much gold out there in quests that mob drops could be removed entirely and that'd be fine. Credit market prices would drop down after a short while as actual amount of gold able to be gained will come down some and gold will have more value. I'd still love to see something more or what seems to have a better value than the prize bags added for me to want to spend my gold on something other than the credit market. Picking up classes isn't cheap and I see no real reason to buy prize bags as I have all the relic items. The quest nerf on corpse turn-ins are quite harsh, but even back in the day that wasn't much of the income I could generate which was fairly substantial off just doing some quests regularly.

    Explore and find quests, they're more than worth the time to do them once you've discovered them. As long as there's no plan to significantly nerf the gold gained from those types of things there's plenty of coin to buy all the things that I'd currently consider needed for most players. That being enchantments/amulets/armor/weapons. Curatives are still able to be bought easily off gold drops from npcs, and they're also stupidly cheap. The fact that as a newbie you can buy health refills for 2 gold instead of 150 makes things like that so much more accessible. You used to have to figure out a way to earn ~20k gold before you could get past novice status just in buying up the required curatives. Almost all those ways of earning gold from 10+ years ago still exist, and plenty of new ones have been added in.
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jensen said:
    Before mobs dropped gold commonly we had to hunt vermin, know gold quests, and play the comms/credits market where you could. It's possible to do, though it isn't as easy as what we just left. I remember it not being fun to rat hunt for elixer/vials costing 300-1200 per.
    What I should have said was I remember it not being fun to rat hunt for elixers costing 300-1200 per.  Considering refills are cheaper now by a factor of 10, and there are more ways to earn gold, I wouldn't worry too much.
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  • JensenJensen Corruption's Butcher Member Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    00:22 eastern standard time 1/18/2016

    Credits currently available for purchase:
    20 credits at 6666 gold per credit.
    94 credits at 6800 gold per credit.
    11 credits at 7250 gold per credit.
    20 credits at 7500 gold per credit.
    386 credits at 7800 gold per credit.
    36 credits at 9000 gold per credit.
    44 credits at 10000 gold per credit.
    4 credits at 10500 gold per credit.
    20 credits at 11000 gold per credit.
    10 credits at 18000 gold per credit.



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  • LarionLarion Chicago, USMember Posts: 12 ✭✭
    ok,  everything else aside,  could we please for a second talk about the utter insanity of dismissing someone who plays 20 hrs/week as a casual that admins should not focus on accommodating?  I know this wasn't your intention exactly @Eydis, but it's not the first time I've seen this nugget emerge. 

    People. 20 hrs/week is a $#1+load of time! I don't know what the demographic breakdown of Aetolia is like,  but I have a full time job and 2 kids that occasionally require my attention. I can't think of any other discretionary activity I come close to spending 20 hours a week on, and on some weeks  that includes sleeping. 

    Great story Hansel,  but the point that I'm trying to make is that Aetolia should not alienate people who can't commit the equivalent of a full time job to it, especially dye to something as basic as gold generation. I fully understand and expect that as a casual player I'll not be able to develop my character with IC credit purchases - I'm totally fine with that, but it becomes a different matter if I have to spend a substantial percentage of my limited playtime just generating gold for normal gold supplies - enchants,  forgings,  amulets, curatives, because the gold generation portion of this game is not even remotely fun. A game that requires me to spend a lot of time doing non-fun stuff isn't exactly a game that makes me motivated to spend RL money on it. 
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  • EydisEydis Member Posts: 135 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2016
    Larion said:
    ok,  everything else aside,  could we please for a second talk about the utter insanity of dismissing someone who plays 20 hrs/week as a casual that admins should not focus on accommodating?  I know this wasn't your intention exactly @Eydis, but it's not the first time I've seen this nugget emerge. 

    ------> That wasn't my intention, no, and stating that the Casual Players should not be accommodated at all wasn't the premise of my argument. The premise of my argument is that there are people of varying play times other than the person who plays 20 hours or below and the entire game shouldn't suffer from excessive admin intervention that shapes all or most things around that one position. 

    People. 20 hrs/week is a $#1+load of time! I don't know what the demographic breakdown of Aetolia is like,  but I have a full time job and 2 kids that occasionally require my attention. I can't think of any other discretionary activity I come close to spending 20 hours a week on, and on some weeks  that includes sleeping. 

    Great story Hansel,  but the point that I'm trying to make is that Aetolia should not alienate people who can't commit the equivalent of a full time job to it, especially dye to something as basic as gold generation.

    -------> This is a valid position, one that I think should be respected and acknowledged by the admin when they look at the impact of gold drops in the game, which is why I made the suggestions I did in my post, such as cutting them down to 1/2 instead of 1/10, and etc. etc.

    --------> I also drew a parallel between this position and mine; I write scrolls, I help to lead a guild and a city, I plan events/stir activity, I run a business, and I do the bulk of the designing for city renovations/other random projects. I also have my own personal goals outside of that, so if gold becomes less accessible to me, it compromises my position too. My work is valuable too and shouldn't be dismissed as me being a more casual player, that's not conducive to a healthy or mindful dynamic either. It seemed like there was this false dichotomy that anyone who isn't willing to go out and spend all, most, or even an overly significant amount, of their time questing, fishing must be a casual player. The way I see it, there are many roles in the game, all of them are important and worthy of acknowledgement if we want to create a dynamic in the game that keeps and retains players, as well as generates an economy that attracts people. 


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  • LarionLarion Chicago, USMember Posts: 12 ✭✭
    Sorry,  @Eydis, I really didn't mean to make it read like my last post was directly in response to you - I actually agree with a lot of what you said. I merely used what was probably a fairly throwaway point for you and used it as a launching pad for my own thoughts on being a time-bound player 
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  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭
    Trikal said:


    Explore and find quests, they're more than worth the time to do them once you've discovered them. As long as there's no plan to significantly nerf the gold gained from those types of things there's plenty of coin to buy all the things that I'd currently consider needed for most players.

    Until people start fully automating/afk-ing these as well, these will likely remain as they are. /shrug/

  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    Considering the admin just banned Grawthorg for actively doing a bugged quest for millions of gold, I'm pretty sure they're going to watch someone running quests in circles. I'm also pretty sure they are watching every single bit of gold generation right now. So long as you're active, I'm pretty sure you'll make more gold at less risk than someone afk-questing.
    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • SatomiSatomi Member Posts: 321 ✭✭✭
    Or, Or, if you absolutely must AFK-quest, remain at your keyboard. Admins do poke people who run circuits. When I was grinding for endgame some couple years back, an admin poked my half-asleep RL self through my character and I had barely enough awareness to respond to it, despite my autobashing consisting of a trigger that attacks every time I recover balance (doesn't do anything else. I had to manual move, target, and attack)

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  • XavinXavin Member Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They can and likely do track gold, and they can and likely do track people who seem to be afk while grinding fishing, quests, or bashing. You have something like....30 seconds to respond if they ping at you.

    If you're automating anything, be very, very careful and always, always disable your automation if you need to go afk.

  • ArbreArbre Arbrelina Jolie BraavosMember Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They've talked to me once, thinking I was afk fishing.
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  • SerriceSerrice the Black Fox Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Arbre is secretly AI. Clever, clever AI.
     
  • LimLim Member Posts: 597 ✭✭✭✭
    Automate the response, silly! Most people don't realise that I'm fully AI. 
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  • PypoPypo Member Posts: 79 ✭✭✭
    edited January 2016
    After reading what everyone has said, I really think that everything was really thought out and well said.

    At first I was really agrivated by the change not because I didn't want to do quests, but having a spot to make...REALLY fast cash ((OMG OMG OMG RACIAL RELICS I MUST MUTATE AND COLLECT DEM ALL! <3))

    However, I really....stopped going into Xannal after a while once I hit 100 and with all the changes to vortex, I really...really felt like this area felt so much more interesting. It feels kind of like guild wars 2 action zone, there is a eccentric feel and theme of war going on here. Your actions change things in the background without being massively significant playing out few ways every day. The gold amount for the amount of effort isn't as much but I find it so much more interesting running the risks for the rewards.

    Losing out on the opportunity to make 2k gold from one soldier death in Tiyen isn't much of a loss for me. It was just way too easy to do a run or three and make up more then what you lost and it was SO much faster then questing ((shakes fist at teshen area)) the rewards for this area is 5 gold per corpse and I think really my only complaint was not being able to use fang barrier to protect against denizens using poisons. I have to honestly side with the changes and decisions made, cause yea...the credit market fluctuates and there is hundreds of options ((you can blame me, I am one of those guys putting one credit up for Trillions of gold on the credit market just to be a tease!))
  • SerriceSerrice the Black Fox Member Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, one, two months out, have the predictions come true?
     
  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    Credits have stabilized at 6k gold per (personally, I think they could be lower due to the lack of gold income, but w/e... people be wanting dat gold).

    Secondly, still loving the gold nerfs because it forces people to be active in order to get the supplies they need.
    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • TozToz Member Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, most of the people who could have ruined credit market quit playing, so that's...something?

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  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭
    With it now being a decent amount of time from the changes, I'm... okay with the changes.

    I second @Zsadist 's notion of it making people be active.

    With the recent addition of quests being pointed out now, and being more visible (and more coming) it certainly makes gold accruing more accessible to the I-Don't-Want-To-Quest inclined people.

    Take the Ayhesa quests of Nator, Ephin, and such. I personally like trio sets like this in an area. Could the corpse rewards be higher than 10 gold? I personally think so. Say like, 25 or 30. But this is just me.

    Nator gives 100 gold per item you give him, Ephin gives like 500 gold I think for the map.

    One can easily make ~1000 gold every... what? 45 minutes?

  • TrikalTrikal Member Posts: 160 ✭✭✭
    if 1k gold / 45 minutes was what we were looking at I'd probably be upset. Thankfully that's not the case.
  • TenshyoTenshyo Member Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭
    Trikal said:

    if 1k gold / 45 minutes was what we were looking at I'd probably be upset. Thankfully that's not the case.

    Well no, but I just meant for that specific set of quests, given mob respawns and such

  • EmelleEmelle Dreamshaper Tecpatl's CradleMember Posts: 712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know if it's directly related or if there are some other factors, but the Esterport shop auctions are WAY more expensive this time around than they were the last time. Absurdly expensive, for a shop that's going to automatically go back up for auction in four RL months.
  • ZsadistZsadist Member Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭
    People want shops. I've come to learn that people don't buy a shop to make a profit (since its almost impossible to do so). They do it for the RP opportunities and the feeling of owning a shop. But yes, they are quite expensive this time around.
    (Oasis): Benedicto says, "There was like 0.5 seconds between "Oh hey, they're in area. That was quick." and "OMFG THEY'RE IN THE AREA STAHP STAHP!""


  • EmelleEmelle Dreamshaper Tecpatl's CradleMember Posts: 712 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, they don't really make a profit, but that isn't my point -- my point is that these shops are auctioning for about the same it would cost to buy one, which makes it very difficult for more casual players and/or new crafters to break into the market as a shopowner.
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