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Ankyrean Anguish - Aetolia-based RAGE
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If you don't have the umph to back up what you say, either don't say it, or prepared to be smacked in the face via whatever mechanics or RP people have available to them.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
I am unsure what exactly Damariel did. I am positive that he shouted a lot of grumpy things at the darkside raiders. I am also positive about one strict rule I have with God roleplay: you can do whatever you want in your temple. Some of you have channeled some righteous anger into the idea that Gods are interfering with your gameplay by taking action against you in their temples, while completely ignoring the fact that gameplay (that is to say, a corporation telling its participants not to be dicks) is the only thing keeping the in-character god from obliterating your character and all of his/her family.
We keep Gods on a very short leash, which typically means that they're relatively toothless in the context of punishments and counterplay. Acting indignant that a God would take direct action against using His temple as a raid point is completely asinine.
But hey, I'm just a lowly noncom, so what do I know?
"The smell of dusty fur, sweet smoke, waiting and patience, a thing that time cannot kill. The moth that candles won't burn."
The only reason Gods don't fucking decimate you and turn you into a memory is because this is a game and they want to keep players. If people would just keep that in mind, I think the perspective would make so much more sense.
They are -Gods-. They can fucking -sneeze- you to death. Everyone has this dismissive attitude towards them that really irks me, because it makes no sense. Call it what you want, you know? People justify it as 'Oh, Dhar/Varian/Whoever brings us back from the dead and so it's RP that I can't die, so why should I care?' What if a God just muted you and rearranged your face so you didn't have a mouth, and you had to go RP with another God and try to get it cured every time you talked shit or ran your mouth? What if they crippled you and made you unable to walk or blinded you, or any number of other things that is well within their 'power', but not within what they're 'allowed' to do administratively?
Dunno. It's a pet peeve of mine, this desire people have at a way to 'fight back against Gods'. You don't. They're fucking Gods.
I really approved of that method of punishing people. I think the attitude you describe is derivative from the 'worst' punishment that can be given is either 'death or disfavor' that seems to be super popular.
I'm not real big on @Omei's rampant ripping off of heads, but it...kinda gets the point across after She's done it 5 or 6 times to the same person that maybe they might want to stfu, but...once where your character is RP f'd up, instead of just hexed or killed...
Probably get it across much better.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
I bet the tune would change if they just muted you and fused your lips together every time you said something bad at them. How tired would you get of going and finding some way to cure that so you could talk again?
An antagonistic figure needs to either A) be far removed from actions that directly influence players, or
Overcoming obstacles is a part of game design. 'Here's a big bad that kills you whenever and you can't stop it' is not.
I loved that punishment.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
I can honestly say that, with one recent and very specific exception, I rarely have had a God interfere ICly with something I've been doing that made me feel like I had no recourse or no way to do anything about it, or have it affect my gameplay to the point that I grew frustrated. And Rashar has, in the recent past at least, been pretty belligerent and bitter towards them.
I feel like people antagonize them for shits and giggles, and then when they retaliate with some IC thing, you want a way to fight -back-, and that's what leads to stuff like this. Let me help you out: Don't start shit with a God, because they will win.
The tainted fountain that Slyphe did in Spinesreach was in retaliation for people running their mouths, ICly. He responded with a fun RP punishment for disrespecting him and it was bitched about for days that he was 'bullying'. But ultimately, it was someone blatantly talking shit about a God that started it.
The other time that a war was declared was because of RP that Moirean did with Slyphe personally. It's hardly as if he was just running around bee bopping his way through interfering with mortal lives.
Here you have raids being conducted from a -temple-, and because he (right or wrong, true/false, justified/not) put a stop to that particular aspect of it, people are once again grumbling at Gods involving themselves with mechanical things and us having no recourse.
Come on, man. That's a stretch.
I think if you look back at most of the cases where people feel like Gods are straight up bullying without any ability to fight back, there's a good chance that they did something to start it. Again. Don't kick a sleeping dragon, bro. And I'm far from innocent - I've done my fair share of instigating, but I've never once complained about an IC consequence that a God leveled on me for something I did/said ICly.
You're very good at using your character's personality traits to justify your (the player's) conscious decisions, but you're wholeheartedly unwilling to look at the reverse, and acknowledge that you're playing against an opponent whose out-of-character responsibilities completely control his in-character actions. Starting a Holy War against a god who removed you from his temple is a bit like stealing a kid's candy and then beating him up every afternoon for daring to complain.
I'm not talking about the Damariel thing, because I wasn't around and don't really care. In fact, I'm not even really interested in arguing if Gods ever go 'too far'. I'm saying if you want to end the 'they went too far!' arguments on the forums/IG and reduce bitterness overall, there are two ways to go. Have Gods NOT do anything big/punishing ever, except events, OR provide counter-play. Because at the end of the day, they're still being perceived as players working for their side - because, in their official capacity, that's what they are. If I got to obliterate someone every time they shouted something at me, and the person who died had no way to fight back, that'd be a Bad Thing(tm). To a lesser extent, it is a Bad Thing(tm) for Gods to be able to do it with no counter play.
oops.. You answered my question before I could finish asking it. Guess I should have caught up before posting.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
edit: He manually ran through the rooms too, we stopped him with blocking. Kinda funny actually. I know something stopped us because I got the wormhole begins line looped like 6 times without anything happening on the other end
I've actually said this before, and it comes up again because the same issues apply.
In the real world, any conflict boils down to muscle. Can you kick another sovereign's ass if it came to war? If yes, you have the upperhand and will dictate the terms. In this case, Bloodloch/Spinesreach/Iosyne's Order have the upperhand, because they will and can kick butt.
So what should the underdogs do? Well, for one, if you don't have the muscle, then don't be obnoxious. Blanket enemying is a stupid policy, but moreso stupid because it provokes your opponents without you having the necessary muscle to back it up. Very poor political choices have been made in game, which, to be frank, if done in real life, would be punished even more heavily.
In real life, Enorian would be burnt to the ground by now because its leaders have no sense of self-preservation and are on a suicide course of zealotry, or they would be voted out by citizens who realise that their leaders will bring them destruction. The only reason Enorian, with all its past decisions made, still stands, is because of an admin safety net that prevents it from being decimated.
What we're seeing here is how time and time again, that safety net will be called upon to bail players out of their bad choices.