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We originally deleted this post, since it obviously violates several forum rules, but I decided to undo so I could make a proper response. One day, I hope you (Draiman) will look back on this and realize what a silly explosion this was.
Accessibility to PvP is at an all-time high, and there is no way you can argue that this is anything but good. New players can quickly and easily get set up for group PvP with nothing more than FirstAid and a couple of attack aliases. There is also now a plethora of free, and yes, bought systems around that people can obtain. And for those that want to venture into the realm of making their own system, we have been setting trends across IRE in making the ability to code a system easy and accessible, with plenty of configs and gmcp data. Could we, the devs, do more on our end? Yes, definitely, and we have plans for it too.
We support the sharing and sale of systems because obtaining one doesn't automatically make you good at the game. You still need to put effort into understanding the theory of combat, how to apply your offence and capitalize on it, and most importantly, you need understand how your system works and behaves. Aetolia is an extremely complex game that has evolved over the years, and sharing systems is one way to help bridge the experience gap. It's disingenuous to berate other people for using those systems because this is how the vast majority of players have learned to play - with the help and experience of others.
I'm still nubbin it up on the coding aspect, but that's to be expected. Will I ever be a real coder? No, because I'm not interested in digging into it on that level. But I also understand that that means there are always going to be a few who are going to splat me 1on1, no matter the system I'm using. I used Daskalos' offense for a while as a Luminary, and that didn't make me elite. (In fact, I changed away from it because man, CMUD kills me, but irrelevant). I'm using an offense now that someone else just steals lunch money with, and my lack of depth understanding and the intricacies means I'm not really using it fully yet. (But I will!).
Sure, I'm killing far more than I'm dying to at this point in the 1on1 game, and maybe that upsets you because I didn't code any of it myself aside from cosmetic triggers and aliases. But I don't understand why you'd complain about having more people to fight, if fighting is the draw.
I remember, involve me and I
learn.
-Benjamin Franklin
Really, it's a silly argument, in my opinion. You're reducing 'combat' into a series of reactions coded beforehand and taking out almost all of the things that makes fighting fighting. Why are you upset that someone else managed to 'unlock the secret' in a different way? So you put hard work and time into coding a system? I put hard work, blood, sweat, and hours upon hours upon months of risk into earning the money that bought me the system.
And sure, the argument is going to be made that it's just like training for hours and hours and practicing katas or forms or locks or holds or shoots or whatever. And to that I say, meh. I've done quite a bit of training in my life, for fighting and for various other things. To the point where I can perform certain actions in the dark, blindfolded, awake for days, in pain, whatever. But none of them I could step away and go make a sandwich for. System combat = silly in the first place. Take out the complexity, take out the automation, and people will be forced to learn the game and the skills and the map and do it themselves. Can't buy that, yeah?
It won't happen, and I realize it is this way for a reason. It wasn't a serious attempt at arguing that case, I'm just saying. I can understand it being frustrating, maybe, to get killed by someone who bought a system. To me, it's frustrating to get killed by people who can game/code from work, probably do not have a job that is far more than full time, may or may not have a wife and two kids and the desire to sit in front of the computer and play Aetolia for the story and the character of it rather than a mudlet script window.
But there's no reason to go on a tangent like that, especially in the love thread.
I disagree with this statement. I could give someone a package of my offense and, with a few exceptions, they would fight EXACTLY AS I DO. As automation improves the difference between people who know what they are doing and people who do not will diminish until it no longer exists. The inescapable reality is, there is a 'best' affliction set for every class matchup. Systems can deliver this accurately, far more accurately than any player could manage. Likewise, the times you need to turtle/play defensive/run away are easily detectable. A shield at a certain point, auto-fitness, auto-panacea, etc. happening at a certain point in time will potentially save you from dying - and that's another thing that can be automated. Computers are excellent at evaluating the same set of choices over and over, and that's what Aetolian PVP IS - there's an absolute, binary route to victory with a few notable exceptions (limb classes, primarily).
I've been saying this since combat AIs started getting big - it makes combat more 'accessible' to newbies, sure. But that's not a good thing. The learning curve being so high also made the skillcap immensely high, and the more that learning curve is lowered, the lower the skillcap goes too. We're already running into situations where a class is flat-out better than another, and we can tell because offenses are functioning at a high degree of efficiency. I predict that, eventually, fights will be determined by ping time, class matchup, and rng. And maybe artifacts. It's not a particularly pleasing situation, but that's where we're headed unless things change - EVERYTHING can be automated.
I think those who WANT to learn, who find this portion of the game exciting, and want to have a starting off point, I think AI's, systems, offenses, all these are wonderful. It gives them a place to start.
I am testament to the fact that system does NOT equal win.
@Mariena If someone gave you a top tier system complete with an offense and you still couldn't PK, then the system wasn't top tier. Simple as that.
Edit: I haven't fought anyone in a while, but I don't really need to to know that I will lose. Ashmer is better than me and me and Mazzion went back and forth.
*peer*
Abduct a target -ooone- time, man. I swear.
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
Message #17059 Sent By: Oleis Received On: 1/03/2014/17:24
"If it makes you feel better, just checking your artifact list threatens to crash my mudlet."
I should not be allowed to play with technology.
There was a really lovely baptism at my mother's church today. Not everyone may be particularly religious, but it was really special. The little boy had been born extremely prematurely, and his twin died. The parents are pretty isolated, much of their families neglect them or outright do not talk to them (really stupid drama, the husband put himself through medical school and just finished his residency and most of his relatives see him as a walking ATM). The community there really rallied around them and has become a really supportive surrogate family and it is just really neat to see.
Had to make room or my keyboard would have ended up on the floor. -_-