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  • OonaghOonagh Member Posts: 387 ✭✭✭✭
    Wear the disagrees proudly if youre gonna do them. No sense being half-assed about it.
    TetchtaXavinRhyotTeani
  • TetchtaTetchta Member Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭
    Oonagh said:

    Wear the disagrees proudly if youre gonna do them. No sense being half-assed about it.

    Indeed. Plus, in my experience with people who have been nasty, they tend to wilt like salad in a frying pan when confronted about it even in the gentlest of terms.
    "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
    -Robert Caro
    OonaghXavin
  • TetchtaTetchta Member Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 15
    These rules haven't been updated since April 2018 (three years!) and don't reflect the current bannable offenses or rules. They should probably be cleaned up and updated for clarity's sake.
    "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
    -Robert Caro
    Archelaus
  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,149 admin
    I've updated the rules a smidge with things I thought were kinda obvious, but sure, I can enumerate a little more.
    Tetchta
  • TetchtaTetchta Member Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭
    Tiur said:


    2b. This is not a neutral place; if you have a problem with the game contact [email protected] Any things that should go through support and are instead shared here intending to insult the game, players, admin, etc... those will just be deleted and you'll be banned.

    What determines what is insulting to the game/admin and what is something meant for emails? This seems like a needlessly draconian rule meant to stifle the very thing a game has a forum for: public discussion. This is a bizarrely authoritarian rule and I can't imagine this was written in good faith.

    "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
    -Robert Caro
    SryaenNaos
  • TetchtaTetchta Member Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭
    That wasn't a question for you, Rhyot, that was a question for the policy-maker.
    "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
    -Robert Caro
  • TiurTiur Producer Member, Administrator, Immortal Posts: 1,149 admin
    Nah, Rhyot's pretty much got it. I mean, there's no policing agency for forum rules. I could just ban anyone I don't like. The rules aren't meant to be an unassailable constitution or anything.

    I was trying to phrase a rule that was expressing... Look, we're here to talk about the game. Constructively. Posting "Aetolia is the worst" isn't constructive, and honestly, I don't see the logic where people think we'd be required to provide a hosting spot for that statement.
  • TetchtaTetchta Member Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 23
    Here's the deal; it's obviously abundantly clear to, I think, most of us that rules are not a binding constitution, but they are important regardless because, while we're all aware that you hold all the authority and power over this space and can be a tyrant if you so choose, having laid out expectations that are pretty clear about what behavior and consequences to expect for things is invaluable. And given that there are rules stipulated to begin with, it does serve as a loose social contract with the playerbase that, frankly, matters.

    And, as I'm sure you're aware, while you can be a malicious dictator if you choose to be, you surely must recognize that that's a pretty rough business model, and that optics and perception matter. And the optics of the rules as written sends the message that the line between "feedback" and "malicious insult" is a blurry one at best, and I don't think that's particularly helpful to everyone. Like, sure, feedback can sting a bit, but if I were in charge of a game that depended on people to buy non-essential text toys to keep the lights on, I'm not sure I'd want to ostracize taking the temperature of the fanbase to the margins. And I think, even without that being the intention, that's the read of those rules. "Insulting the game" is fairly vague, and I think one could very easily say that many comments in the There have been no events thread could be interpreted as insulting, when they're just people speaking the truth as they see it.

    And, honestly, as much as "positive vibes only here my dudes" sounds like a good thing, that really is a mentality that frequently serves only to paper over legitimate concerns, both in interpersonal relationships and in wider communities, as disturbing those in power and/or the status quo is frequently what's interpreted as a "negative vibe."

    Thoughts to consider as you run this community.
    "We're taught Lord Acton's axiom: all power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I believed that when I started these books, but I don't believe it's always true any more. Power doesn't always corrupt. What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do."
    -Robert Caro
  • StigandrStigandr v5735Member Posts: 67 ✭✭
    edited May 1
    While gritty disagreement and verbal jousting usually does end up spawning the worst in any individuals approach to dialogue involving the game, I've always been of the opinion that people can generally keep themselves in check.

    However, this is not the general statistic that ends up happening, and while Tiur may come off as autocratic, I should just remind everyone that this forum is not a democracy, with nothing backing any sort of rights for any of it's posters.

    You roll the dice when you get nasty, and dictatorship is the only way Tiur can enforce a positive platform, even if the general vibe is that of a tyrant censoring subjects.

    You don't have any rights here the way you do as a citizen within whatever nation you live in, and I agree, despite how contrary it is to the spirit of general liberty, that players/posters here in the forums need to be censored, and that any argument contrary to it is detrimental to the game at large.

    That's my two cents on the matter. Didi has the baseline vibe in her previous post that she made. She easily defines the desirable environment that is the best model for all of us to be operating in as players/customers for Aetolia.
    BenedictoDidiSeurimasCallidora
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