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Re: Class Viability

@emir and @zarni neither of you fight nor are any good what-so-ever and yet you argue with me on my opinions. Yes i may have gotten a .2 difference in what the affliction does wrong. But what makes you think either of you know more than i do? The point is, the ultimate goal of combat is to kill your opponent. If you take more time doing that than your opponent does to you, you lose and die. Anyone with a brainstem knows that, but i'm not sure either of you do. After reading your comments i expect to fight you, then you come back from the death sequence and say BUT I SLOWED YOU DOWN .4 SECONDS HOW ARE YOU SO OP!

Galadriel

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Re: Class Viability

@Emir blurry vision is random and can't be applied to a target with certainty. lethargy and confusion delay attacks by what a whole .2 seconds? That't technically a hinder sure... but not really much of one. Weariness isn't a hinder it just reduces damage done to you, not all forms either, and is also a mental aff that can be focused away. pacifism will get cured as soon as you take another shot automatically and peace just got a nerf liasion round before last. Berserking, yea that's a decent hinder, but still doesn't compare to oh say, broken limbs? Aeon? paralysis, which you didn't even mention, that they do have, paresis isn't a very good hinder either. The ability to impale? When i think hinder i think actually unable to attack, not slown down .2 seconds, clumsiness instead of blurry vision would make more sense. At least it's a pill cure that a luminary can actually capitalize on. To stack all of the whole 3 salve afflictions a luminary has at their disposal you have to hit them with all of them as a hidden affliction and hope they don't diagnose.

Galadriel

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Re: LGBT+ Characters

As long as we're being inclusive can we also marry sheep? I'm asking for a friend. What about two? Polygamy and sheep please. Just sayin.

Kalinaar

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Re: Wisp/Leer Discussion

@Iesid I can think of an even better counter for group combat. Bear/Nightingale/Wisp. Now they can't get the wisp to follow them outside the room to kill it.

It seems like every argument I see for countering Wisp can in itself be countered. And if we DO manage to kill the wisp, you can just summon another one.

I'm in favor of deleting Leer and Wisp entirely.

Are you implying that every fight in Aetolia is in a one exit room? If so, doesn't that mean you could just as easily keep me trapped in one of those rooms against Leer?

Let us be very clear: the skills are more the same than any of you want to admit.

EDIT: You can also kill the Sentinel, much like you can kill the Prae.

Iesid

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Re: Wisp/Leer Discussion

From my perspective, the initial dislike for Wisp had more to do with the fact that there simply was no counterplay,

There is absolutely counterplay to Wisp if Nightingale isn't present, and stating things the way you have in the above is disingenuous at best. It's not conducive to an effective discussion on this topic, so please accept that both skills have their benefits and weaknesses. Some people here need to admit that there is counterplay to this skill if Nightingale doesn't exist. You can test for the presence of nightingale via something as easy as POKE NIGHTINGALE or PROBE NIGHTINGALE.1;PROBE NIGHTINGALE.2;PROBE NIGHTINGALE.3 - these have no opportunity cost. It's free information. Make use of it.

If we then continue this argument and people move the goal posts, claiming that 'no sensible Sentinel will bring Wisp without Nightingale, so your counterplay argument is moot', why do I keep getting away with doing exactly that?

A lot of the complaints here come off as tether tribalism. That's no way to balance a game or convey your mechanically-minded concerns.

So what's the consensus here?

I like Wisp, but I would not be sad to see it go if Leer is also going. That doesn't, however, address the concern that Monk Isolate is a powerful team skill that both tethers should have equal access to - but do not, because the Monk class is in a Spirit guild. I suppose the Syssin balance this out in... some way, as @Fezzix pointed out. If we're going to be real, I think that if we can't solve that problem, we should just put Wisp and Leer under the magnifying glass until they're fair.

I have questions: are you alright with Wisp/Nightingale as a combo?

Can you run with a Wisp attached to you and kill it outside of the Nightingale's room? [EDIT: I no longer need confirmation on this. There is counterplay EVEN IF NIGHTINGALE IS PRESENT.]

The wisp idea originally spawned from the thread requesting we have more utility skills in team combat so that better players could utilise them to overcome big numbers but weak preparation. Isolate mechanics almost perfectly fit the role here, and encourages everyone to watch who their team is hitting hit and follow along (or call target order beforehand), rather then rely on a target call. Mostly a small skill to learn, which is why I never really thought of it as being a massive game changer.

It assuredly does this. I like it for that reason. I would like more game-changing skills like this spread out among classes; it would make class composition and knowing your enemy's composition a far more important. Warping target orders for both sides, etc.

Sentinel got picked as I felt trading out a Woodlore entity for wisp (or two if you want nightingale too) was a fairly big trade off, as you'd lose out on extra damage, and Dhuriv doesn't exactly do a whole lot of damage on its own. Maybe it could've gone on a better class, but it seemed like the easiest fit at the time and I like to pick lesser used classes to draw attention to them AND limit how much you end up having to deal with it so people can get used to it slowly. Bad choices perhaps?

This makes a lot of sense and clears up my confusion. I also think the balance was built in via the opportunity cost of "you can only take 4 of your animal buddies" - moreso even when you consider nightingale/wisp taking up half your choices and it doesn't mean the enemy team can't just whack you directly to get rid of it. I think that, through this lens, you made the right choice... especially because some of the other things Sentinel can do in teams would require I use up the other half of my animal choices (icewyrm/raloth) and miss out on elk or give up nightingale for elk... and then suddenly I also don't get bear, so there goes that powerful block that people keep bringing up!

People are looking at Sentinel as a whole kit and listing its strengths, utility, etc... but some of that utility is very clearly gated behind the fact that I can't bring all animals. I often find myself sacrifice Nightingale for Bear and then that makes my entire entourage vulnerable... in theory, anyways.

Sentinel was an interesting place to put this. If I had to choose where else I'd put it, I don't think I'd have an answer for you.

Iesid

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Re: Wisp/Leer Discussion

I am going to go ahead and state: If you're feeling heated, take a walk and come back please. You aren't enemies or against each other OOC, you're on the same team against a problem. You share the game, and both tethers want people to participate in PvP.