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Additionally, I think there is a real danger in players adopting the stance that Hardcore characters have to "keep their mouth shut". Based on the lore, newly created characters all stand a chance of being blindspots and the entire Soul Mirror event showed us that even ancient adventurers can suddenly lose their ability to come back from the Underhalls. If we're going to equate "fear of losing your life completely" with "must shut up and stay in line in case someone wants to one-shot you", then it would stand to reason that ALL players should take that stance, not just HCs.

I've seen so many people in the last few days posting on the forums and in the Discord about how important it is that we all recognize that we're players in this game no matter what side of the conflict we're on, so it's strange that some of those same people are here with this completely dismissive attitude towards - *checks his notes* - other players.

A little less hyperbole, please. Did I contact you in a moment of frustration? Sure. Did I lash out? I think you're being a bit dramatic.

My frustration came from the fact that yes, reading all of the HELP files does make it clear that you are taking on the risks of having your character permanently deleted when you die... but not only is Alela's post hyperbolic, it's lacking the context of how my character died to them. You went on a 25 minute tirade against a Thronekeeper, openly disrespecting them, and I made the mistake of calling out how ironic it was that you were saying the Carnifex lacked manners and respect while in the midst of your anti-Whirran ranting. And so you traveled to me in the middle of the city and used your "sanguine shard of authority" to completely obliterate me.

It's not like we were engaged in valid PK and I ever had a chance of surviving you. That's why I was frustrated... and yes, I probably didn't need to send you the Discord DM but it was not an attack, and after about ten minutes I had moved on.

This post feels like nothing more than subtly gloating. It would be different if I had run here and made an entire forum thread bemoaning my death and calling for the rest of the playerbase to cancel you, or if I had publicly called you out in the Discord.

People calling folk OOC bullies for raiding cities. Like good freakin' grief, y'all're why folk balk at meaningful conflict in this game. I can't think of a more "who gives a crap" form of conflict than raiding. If it bugs you that much, CTOFF and don't read logs. QQ if something so pedestrian is ruining your online time.

Just overall stop calling people bullies/toxic for engaging with core mechanics of the game.

I think the issue is everyone was just kinda expecting things to be chill, in the morning anyways, while Father's Day stuff was being done. I mean it's frustrating to log in and see that kind of stuff going down when you can't be on but the name-calling... just don't be surprised if Aya starts topping random undeads to the Flame xD

I agree @Galilei. I think the main issue though is like she will say something, it be quiet for 2 or 3 rl days, and then this. Can't be on guard all the time. I dunno. Like I have no problem if someone just comes and kicks my ass. Almol does it constantly and I don't bitch about it. I've just never found it good etiquette to wait until someone is afk. I get the character not having honor but to me it just stinks of 'its what my character would do'. But I can see I am in the minority on this so I will drop it.

@Akrios: there is no attempt to guilt. The mention of my kids was an explanation of: your fault for being afk. And I understand perfectly what you said. I get what you said. What I am telling you is when you have a son who has hurt his sister before, you hear glass break, you are up and gone. You are NOT stopping for that half second it takes to close out aetolia because it is suddenly not on your mind. And it shouldn't be. Though you are right. People afk for different reasons. I was simply stating my reason for the rhetoric of 'your fault for being afk'. Which is to say I didn't really have a choice. I do not try and manipulate people. Do not accuse me of that bullshit. Disagree with my views all you want. Disagree with my arguments. But don't accuse me of manipulation. And one last thing before I drop all this: I disagree. Some things should not be decided solely on an ic basis. Is this one of them. Maybe not. After having a nap it's not something that has me frustrated anymore. But you most certainly take some ooc things into context before making ic decisions. There are some very dark themes in this game that can cause triggering effects on players, and you do not get to do it anyways because 'it is ic'. That is a terrible way of looking at it.

@Nipsy: I have no problem with the pk. Aya has earned it. Just the AFK issue I had. You knew I wasn't at the keyboard, you gave me the rose and I never responded. You took advantage of the situation, that is my problem. And Nipsy, you are right. From an IC perspective, yes, Nipsy has never been any of those things. But not everything has to be decided from an IC perspective. I would hope that when you notice someone is afk, you don't just run into the adjacent room and sing oblivion. It isn't bad from an IC perspective, but, *in my opinion*, it is bad etiquette from an OOC one. That's just me though, it seems.

@Akrios: I am in no way trying to guilt him. My kids are my kids. However, when the argument is: Your fault for being afk... yes, it is. But something more important than aetolia came up. And clearly you have never dealt with a severely autistic child. I hear glass break, and again, I'm not thinking of aetolia, or disconnecting. I am thinking 'oh shit, has he hurt his sister again.' But you're right, I should focus on aetolia first and THEN see what is going on. How could I be so stupid?

Honestly, I wouldn't care if this didn't happen most every time I have to go afk. Even if I'm in the city. And then (not from nipsy) I hear bitching when I start going afk at the flame because 'no fair, we can't go there without dying'. I'm not a good pker. Most anyone can kill me even at keyboard. This waiting for people to go afk to attack is just bad sportsmanship. Even if I was afk just to watch a show while I idle doing nothing. I don't get it. I did it ONCE to Borm and I got so berated by shadow for attacking someone afk (they didn't even mention that it was in bloodloch, that part was IC) but when all your friends do the same thing, well, it's your fault for being afk. And they were right. I was an asshole to attack someone afk. And I've never done it since.