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Re: Second War of Night - Retrospective
I have only one burning question with regards to events like this where totally new concepts and technologies are introduced, which is: what's the justification for thsese not being used in the future? This, by and large, is not a problem unique to this event at all, and it's one that recurs in one form or another over many of them. While some of them are solvable via RP, not all are; things like the introduction of Ylem Nukes and Lightsabers are major disruptions to the status quo, and would be kind of difficult to ignore as new technologies in the game, but also potentially dramatically upset the mechanical power balance in the game. Are there plans for how things like this are addressed? Are there reasons other than "it's unfair" that Spireans aren't gonna be running around with lightsabers from now on? This is less a criticism and more of a curiosity on my end. There's probably other examples in each city I can probably think of given time, but those are the big standouts for me.
Tetchta
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Re: Second War of Night - Retrospective
I have only one burning question with regards to events like this where totally new concepts and technologies are introduced, which is: what's the justification for thsese not being used in the future? This, by and large, is not a problem unique to this event at all, and it's one that recurs in one form or another over many of them. While some of them are solvable via RP, not all are; things like the introduction of Ylem Nukes and Lightsabers are major disruptions to the status quo, and would be kind of difficult to ignore as new technologies in the game, but also potentially dramatically upset the mechanical power balance in the game. Are there plans for how things like this are addressed? Are there reasons other than "it's unfair" that Spireans aren't gonna be running around with lightsabers from now on? This is less a criticism and more of a curiosity on my end. There's probably other examples in each city I can probably think of given time, but those are the big standouts for me.On the question of the lightsabers specifically, even if they could use them on things other than Shadow creatures, they run on elemental Spirit and they have no way to get that kind of quantity of pure Spirit without the assistance of the Ascendril, so at the very least they would run out of energy for them.
Jhura
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Re: Second War of Night - Retrospective
I said it in a Gods appreciate before, but it bears repeating:
Ictinus, you are a madman.
For those keeping track at home, since he won't brag on his own behalf, Ictinus:
Razmael deserves a shoutout as well, because while his contributions are more behind the scenes, I know that a lot of the fun things that happened either stemmed from his immense lore knowledge, or were enabled by his code wizardry. I usually credit Ictinus for saving the game, but I genuinely don't know how it would continue if we didn't have Razmael either.
You two are such a dynamic powerhouse duo that enable each other (for better or worse lol) to do some really incredible things for this game, and it's beyond appreciated.
This is Aetolia at its best.
Ictinus, you are a madman.
For those keeping track at home, since he won't brag on his own behalf, Ictinus:
- Wrote all skills and ABs for 2 classes, as well as their accompanying helps, learn messages, etc.
- Casually wrote up, planned an event and mechanics for, and subsequently released a new level 200 class
- Wrote 99% of the script himself (with the exception of Kald, which the glorious Razmael helped with)
- Wrote all of the events posts (we had more events posts in this single event than in the previous administration's tenure as a whole)
- RP'd multiple gods throughout the entire event
- Did the entire Ati progression from start to finish, mechanics included
- Ran the chaos court
- Wrote the descriptions for all generals and bosses
Razmael deserves a shoutout as well, because while his contributions are more behind the scenes, I know that a lot of the fun things that happened either stemmed from his immense lore knowledge, or were enabled by his code wizardry. I usually credit Ictinus for saving the game, but I genuinely don't know how it would continue if we didn't have Razmael either.
You two are such a dynamic powerhouse duo that enable each other (for better or worse lol) to do some really incredible things for this game, and it's beyond appreciated.
This is Aetolia at its best.
Brax
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Re: Second War of Night - Retrospective
The entire team breathed, sweat and bled this event for its duration, but I can say without hesitation that in all my time in Aetolia, I've never seen it under such fantastic leadership. Not only did @Ictinus do much of the work himself, but he also inspired the rest of us. @Razmael and @Keroc also deserve a lot of credit here in my post, they were trapped perpetually it seemed in the code mines churning up fun new ideas and mechanics.
The players were also fantastic. I don't know that it's my place to reveal specifics, but you have no idea how many moving parts were left in your hands and how well you handled it. Not to forget how many times you folks exceeded our expectations through wonderful writing and ideas. You adapted just as much as we did.
There's never been a better time to be an Aetolian.
The players were also fantastic. I don't know that it's my place to reveal specifics, but you have no idea how many moving parts were left in your hands and how well you handled it. Not to forget how many times you folks exceeded our expectations through wonderful writing and ideas. You adapted just as much as we did.
There's never been a better time to be an Aetolian.
Skog
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Re: Second War of Night - Retrospective
I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions, your responses to the polls, and your questions, which I'll do my best to answer so long as they don't touch on what if scenarios, since I'd rather not go into that.But...I want to select multiple options because there was not one specific high point but multiple amazing points of story-telling and writing!
The Archivium
For those typically socially-deficient geeks who really like numbers, shapes, biology, and the horrors between the stars. Also known as the Archivist guild.
May we eternally try to weaponize just about everything and look really nerdy and sciencey doing it.
May we eternally try to weaponize just about everything and look really nerdy and sciencey doing it.
Knigi
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Re: Announce post #3405: The Akkari Class + Ascended Duamvi Subrace!
I'm split on this discussion. I really appreciate that Duiran and Enorian have been disentangled in terms of themes and motivations. However, I do think that only Duiran has to deal with this issue of skill access - Enorian and Bloodloch are the hometown of Praekkari and Spinesreach does not seem to have any identity issues with undeath or vampirism. It is uniquely a Duirani issue that we do not have access to a class that the other 3 orgs do unless we want to just leave our roleplay behind.
I do not think a 'low vampire population in Spinesreach' forgives the clear asymmetry here in what was meant to be a symmetrical system (mirrors), because I will eventually have to fight one of the other 2 orgs that have access to +1 class than I do even if Spinesreach chooses for some reason to not utilize Prae.
In the end, I think I prefer to have Duiran's themes be more clear and independent, but I'd also like to feel like we're not the only one who has to deal with this specific type of downside of taking RP stance. It does not really mean much to me that one of three guilds in Spinesreach 'outlaws vampirism' because it isn't set in stone like it is for us. They can choose to walk away from that stance at any time. We cannot unless we want to go join another city.
EDIT: More directly - what was mirrored here is everything, including class-defining lore of being outside the Cycle. The thing is, that detail doesn't mean anything except to Duiran. We're the only ones who do not get to play Praekkari unless Spinesreach is given a reason to care - and then I still have to worry about class access if I fight BL or Eno. It will eventually make the difference, because they have access to strategies we do not (after all, Enorian can still play Shaman, so they have a strictly better Reclaim setup than the Shaman 'home team') - and in exchange, we do not really get anything mechanical that those 3 orgs don't have access to as well.
I do not think a 'low vampire population in Spinesreach' forgives the clear asymmetry here in what was meant to be a symmetrical system (mirrors), because I will eventually have to fight one of the other 2 orgs that have access to +1 class than I do even if Spinesreach chooses for some reason to not utilize Prae.
In the end, I think I prefer to have Duiran's themes be more clear and independent, but I'd also like to feel like we're not the only one who has to deal with this specific type of downside of taking RP stance. It does not really mean much to me that one of three guilds in Spinesreach 'outlaws vampirism' because it isn't set in stone like it is for us. They can choose to walk away from that stance at any time. We cannot unless we want to go join another city.
EDIT: More directly - what was mirrored here is everything, including class-defining lore of being outside the Cycle. The thing is, that detail doesn't mean anything except to Duiran. We're the only ones who do not get to play Praekkari unless Spinesreach is given a reason to care - and then I still have to worry about class access if I fight BL or Eno. It will eventually make the difference, because they have access to strategies we do not (after all, Enorian can still play Shaman, so they have a strictly better Reclaim setup than the Shaman 'home team') - and in exchange, we do not really get anything mechanical that those 3 orgs don't have access to as well.
Iesid
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Re: Announce post #3405: The Akkari Class + Ascended Duamvi Subrace!
Genuine question: what is preventing the Sentaari guild from allowing some of their members to be Akkari? I understand Shamans refusing them for very obvious reasons, much like the Syssin have almost always been refusing vampires (not just a recent thing). If kept away from Dia'ruis, what is it that prevents the monks from sort of accepting their value as allies?Because all of Duiran is beholden to the wills of Dhar, Haern, and Dia'ruis above their personal values. All 3 of them are the Cycle more or less. The Cycle has declared that the Akkari are just as much a threat as Undead as mentioned earlier. For the Sentaari or any Duiran guild to invite them regardless of individual RP is to go against the entire org they are supposedly represent at large and would immediately cause problems. It's the same way Enorian wouldn't allow the Ascendril to house Revenants or literally any of the Bloodloch classes for any reason because they're they most 'neutral' of the city's choices.
Illikaal
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Re: Events post #338: The Second War of Night, Part XXX: The Fourteenth General
Mjoll doesn't make mistakes, just decisions with spicy consequences.
Mjoll
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Re: Announce post #3405: The Akkari Class + Ascended Duamvi Subrace!
I'm split on this discussion. I really appreciate that Duiran and Enorian have been disentangled in terms of themes and motivations. However, I do think that onlyThis much I do agree with in being that there is little tradeoff where Enorian pretty much gets to use Shaman if they have it with no downsides as far as I'm aware. The skills still work for the Akkari at present with no drawback. I mentioned this somewhere before, but I do think it'd be interesting if in the very least, Dia'ruis rejects the Akkari completely meaning specifically that none of the Shaman skills work outright and obviously fully refund people who have it. At the end of the day I don't think it's game breaking or that big of a deal, but it's just a little thing I'd like to see. The same with Spinesreach developing (if at all) a more anti undead/vampirism stance that is more solidified across the City as a whole.
EDIT: More directly - what was mirrored here is everything, including class-defining lore of being outside the Cycle. The thing is, that detail doesn't mean anything except to Duiran. We're the only ones who do not get to play Praekkari unless Spinesreach is given a reason to care - and then I still have to worry about class access if I fight BL or Eno. It will eventually make the difference, because they have access to strategies we do not (after all, Enorian can still play Shaman, so they have a strictly better Reclaim setup than the Shaman 'home team') - and in exchange, we do not really get anything mechanical that those 3 orgs don't have access to as well.
Even all that aside, if nothing changes I'll still be overall content with how things are. Just save this receipt in the future if I end up crying about getting steamrolled by Eno's Shaman/Senti/Akkari reclaim combo should war happen, and should they utilize it.
Illikaal
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