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Courtesy of @Teani...SQUEEEEEEEEEEEthis is rad but also makes me feel like i've never actually looked at tek before even tho i'm pretty sure vyx has known him the majority of his time in sapience???
Tek looks like Slenderman with eyes. Which is not a complaint here.
I don't think anyone is implying that race, culture, and ethnicity should be all lumped into the same category.ok great
It just so happens that those things tend to come hand in hand.this was exactly what i was saying is not the case, and i coulda sworn one sentence ago you said we weren't doing this?
The discussion here is about expanding racial lore (origin stories, pretty much) in addition to breathing more life and culture into NPC settlements to make them something more beyond just stock towns and villages that have next to nothing behind them.look, though, my issue isn't that i don't understand what the discussion is about. i'm giving my opinion that "expanding racial lore" by gluing race/culture/etc together isn't good for the game or for the world at large. to be more blunt, i guess, SFF genres tend towards essentialist 'race realism' - which, to be blunt once more, is a racist way of conceptualizing race - and my impression is that aetolia has embraced and is planning to continue embracing this conceptualization by "expanding racial lore".
I think the whole point is being able to offer more for players to draw from in creating back stories and histories and culture for their characters that fits into the existing world instead of blindly making stuff up and finding out later that what they've run with the whole time runs contrary to what actually exists.
I would also like to draw attention to this important point from the rather short first post:yes, i read that. as you said, the first post is rather short. however, as i continued reading the thread, it became clear that there've been times when folks' "well-grounded and reasonable, interesting lore" got singularity-bombed - not because they'd come up with something "contrary to what actually exists" (since nothing exists or existed at the time) but because... well, i don't want to assume motivations or anything. it happened, is my point, and i was expressing my feelings about the possibility of it happening again.If you, or your peers, feel someone is making well-grounded and reasonable, interesting lore considering these gaps, those things should be posted here so that we, the volunteers working on this, can take it into consideration. If it isn't on our radar, we have no reasonable way to hunt it out.
Additionally, have you seen other players do something really solid with their racial RP that you think should get more of a spotlight/be taken under consideration as canon? Keep in mind this is not a guarantee nor right.
tl;dr Some races need really basic stuff before I could reasonably ask for more culturally sensitive details. I'd like enough information available on each of the character races to be able to have a believable background when I finish the Academy. I'd also like there to be in-game references for these things. I may be just picking on something that doesn't have a lot of support but...come find me. i will tell you all there is to know about the Horkval Canon which i've made up and it's better than whatever anyone is planning or has done previously (e.g. That One Book on Horkval).
The file doesn't give me a hive location I can visit or HELP. There's no information about what I can and shouldn't look like. I'm uncomfortable, as an experienced player, knowing that:
, and their chitinous bodies lend them a natural protection unmatched by any other mortal race. These blessings of the body have taken their toll on the Horkvali, however, and they find themselves less prepared to master the magical arts.
is wrong and useless because it's based before statpacks existed.
The most this tells me if that, more than likely, women are in charge in Horkvali society, and men are probably fewer and farther between outside of "hives". Cannibalism should be rolled into any cheeky conversation.
Let's look at a more modern race.
Here, I have philosophy, looks (both body and equipment), locations, and religion. It may be a few before I figure out to HELP DUN, HELP RAHN, and then take some time to look for books or other in-game history tied to both things, but I have something to look at all.
What matters to me?
- Give me an idea where I can be born and raised. Please make it somewhere that can be visited, so I can find out what's also nearby and should be familiar to me.
- Give me some traits of cultural significance. What am I expected to care about, so I know what makes me unique in comparison to next guy who's also my race?
- Let me have a box of physical traits, so I can pick from it and build the body.